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Author Topic: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?  (Read 3060 times)

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Offline TxSilver

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Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« on: October 16, 2009, 10:29:02 PM »
One problem with having so many references is trying to find something when you need it. I've searched this afternoon for the reference, but couldn't find the right one (if it exists). I believe that this 6.25" vase was made by Harrach in the 19th Century. Does anyone know for sure if this is correct? Thanks!
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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 11:58:20 PM »
The enamel flowers resemble some small vases I have by Moser so maybe?Keith.

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2009, 12:26:13 AM »
Maybe Harrach but I doubt it. the decoration is similar to some Harrach but it isn't as fine as Harrach tends to be in that dept. The glass itself doesn't look like any of the absolute Harrach treatments I am familiar with nor does the shape.  (not of course, that I know probably even a fraction of the whole that was released) what does the rim of the vase look like? is it gilt? is it finely cut?


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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2009, 12:35:30 AM »
Thanks for looking. The inner white of the rim is ground lightly. The clear casing is thicker around the mouth to form a ring, which is ground slightly around the rim. I included a picture of the top. It feels fire polished, but I can see the flattened, polished areas when I use my goggles.
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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2009, 02:05:14 AM »
yeah, after seeing the rim I really don't think Harrach. it just doesn't appear to be finished the way Harrach tended to finish their glass. you'd expect to see the rim very tailored looking, carved basically with a nice gilding layer so you couldn't see the two glasses meet. the gilding can wear off but usually there will be some remnant of it left.

 I am sure there are always exceptions and I could be wrong.. But I do not think it's Harrach.

I'd say English or Bohemian going for the style of Harrach and Webb but of lesser known glass house.  

I guess there is also the possibility that Harrach had a lower cost glass too that had more quality flaws than their top line stuff. I've always suspected that maybe they did.  is it very heavy for a vase of it's size? does the white lining glow with blacklight?

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2009, 11:41:49 AM »
Do you think these are similar,the yellow one's are Moser the pink I don't know,Keith.

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2009, 12:37:53 PM »
Nice vases, Keith. I have a couple of the yellow vases. Alfredo has some of this type glass under his Czech Jugendstil section. I see them listed as Moser sometimes, but I've never been sure of the attribution. Are yours signed? If you have a good reference, please let me know. I call these pieces lemon glass. I picked up the name from someone, but I don't remember who. The ones I have glow orange under black light, so were probably colored with cadmium. (Thanks, Lustrousstone!)

The red vase is different than the yellow ones. The yellow have internal white spatter used to create the marbling. My red vase is colored on the surface of the white. I see these type vases sold as Loetz carneol on eBay sometimes. They do resemble them. I have seen documentation for these types of vases, but I don't trust my memory -- so much glass, so little brains. The rim is actually pretty nice. It is smooth and feels fire polished. I definitely need to do a better picture. It is black light negative. The weight is pretty normal, neither light nor heavy (221 g, 7.8 oz). The enamel is well fired. There was gilded detail on the enamel, but it has worn with age. It is a nice vase actually. I hope someone recognizes the design.
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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2009, 01:02:58 PM »
It was Alfredo who said the yellow ones were Moser,neither are uv reactive and the weights are like yours,medium,no marks or sig's on any of them,would like to know where the pink one is from,yours also is a very nice piece,Keith.

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2009, 02:18:18 PM »
Thanks for the information, Keith. Your vases look very much like my vases, but yours are nicer. Mine are most likely from a different source, since they are very UV reactive. They were probably made by a lesser house to look like the Moser vases. I say lesser because they are not as nice as yours.

Do you think your pink vase might be Harrach? It is super nice. The metal looks like silver flake to me.
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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2009, 02:32:02 PM »
Thank you,yes they are silver inclusions,did post this piece sometime ago but got no response,I do have another yellow one without decoration but it's quality is not so good Alfredo thought it was from elsewhere.I have a jug I suspect is Harrach I contacted Alfredo and 'The Harrach Project' some time ago but have yet to hear,Keith.

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