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Author Topic: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?  (Read 3061 times)

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Offline Lustrousstone

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2009, 04:53:45 PM »
I would say Ailsa's vase is Bohemian and I would be very surprised if Keith's yellow ones were Moser, despite what Alfredo says. The quality isn't there. Bohemian yes, but not Moser

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2009, 07:11:31 PM »
In regards to the yellow vases I believe the pictures were from the Passau Museum,although there is not the quality you expect from Moser maybe an associated factory,I know what you mean I have a large pillar vase(I think that's what they are called) and ,despite the wear to the gilding the quality does show,Keith.

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2009, 07:40:21 PM »
There are some yellow vases at the bottom of http://sites.google.com/site/bohemianglassandmore/moser. I believe this site belongs to one of our members. He calls it lemon glass and shows it is UV reactive, probably the same orange that my vases turn. I don't think my vases are Moser. They don't look or feel like Moser to me, so I will need a lot of convincing.

The site has some Harrach pieces with rims similar to mine. Maybe I will find the documentation of the red vase soon. I am also looking for your pink vase, Keith. The pink onyx color reminds me a lot of my own vase. You want to swap.  ;D
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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2009, 08:06:12 PM »
Christine, none of these vases are mine. :)

I don't think the yellow varigated are Moser and I do not recall any Yellow variegated pieces being listed in the PMC. Alfredo is not always right. It's an absolute myth that he is, especially when you fall into areas of glass that he doesn't particularly like such as Moser and Harrach.

 Apparently Harrach did do a yellow variegated glass for Moser to sell for them, but I suspect a lot of companies made Yellow varigated.

I still don't think the pink splotchy piece is Harrach. Absolutely NONE of these pieces are Loetz Onyx or even particularly close to being Loetz Onyx. (Harrach also did a onyx type glass and this is also not it)

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2009, 08:14:13 PM »
Christine, none of these vases are mine. :)
I still don't think the pink splotchy piece is Harrach. Absolutely NONE of these pieces are Loetz Onyx or even particularly close to being Loetz Onyx. (Harrach also did a onyx type glass and this is also not it)

They are definitely not Loetz. The only mention of Loetz was that the red variegated type is sometimes sold as Loetz carneol on eBay. I did not intend to hint that the vase was Loetz.
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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2009, 09:07:44 PM »
I'm getting a headache now,definite Bohemia,Moser unlikely but I like them all,I presume PMC refers to the Passau catalogues,where can you get a copy?Keith.

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2009, 09:59:34 PM »
passau museum catalogs. PMC. I got mine from the passau museum. you can get them from resellers too off ABE Books. with shipping IIRC my set was about 370 USD.

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2009, 02:07:36 PM »
Ta,another thing to add to my list of things to get,Keith.

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2009, 12:29:20 AM »
I'm going to disagree with my friend Alisa and say that I think there is a better than average chance this pink vase is by Harrach. The gilt decoration is very close to the airtrap pieces on the left hand side of my page here:

http://sites.google.com/site/bohemianglassandmore/harrach

I also think that much of the variegated lemon glass (I got the terminology from Baldwin) is not Moser and was made by a few, if not several other companies. If the piece is not signed or in a clearly recognizable Moser decor, the Moser factory today will not claim it.

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Re: Is this a 19th C Harrach Vase?
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2009, 01:27:11 AM »
I hoped that you would see the thread, Galle. I could not remember your username when I posted the link to your site. It is a very useful site for me.

I ran across the lemon glass in Moser's book last night. It was nice to know from the book and your site that I had not just dreamed some name up. Keith wrote that his glass was not reactive. Something I ran across with a yellow vase this evening is that casing glass somehow can interfere with seeing the UV effect on glass that (I presume) is colored with cadmium. The vase that I tested tonight glowed orange on the iside, which is not cased, but did not glow on the outside, which is cased. I noticed that you pictured the lemon glass on your site inside and outside. I wonder if Keith's vases might indeed be UV reactive, but can't be seen looking from the outside. (I also think that opalescence can interfere with seeing the orange UV reaction, but that is from a different thread.)

When you mentioned the pink vase, were you referring to Keith's or mine? My red vase is really a very dark pink, so thought I would ask.
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