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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2009, 08:58:53 PM »
Sorry Paul its women that chastise you ,it starts with a little slap on the wrist but it can end up with black fishnet tights and a whip , on one of the other Forums we have one known as miss whiplash . :-X

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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2009, 11:39:54 PM »
It's us bossy girl mods that get him going!  >:D

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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2009, 12:04:35 AM »
As a male Mod, I can confirm that it is certainly the girl Mods that do the wrist slapping thing. All I do to JP is to tell him that every Paul Ysart paperweight or inkwell he shows me is a regular Vasart item worth around £30. ;D
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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2009, 01:36:00 AM »
Sorry Paul its women that chastise you ,it starts with a little slap on the wrist but it can end up with black fishnet tights and a whip , on one of the other Forums we have one known as miss whiplash . :-X

In some places, and in some crowds they call that fun....    >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2009, 07:44:25 AM »
Thats right Kev  but you often end up buying them for a couple of hundred pounds that nice one i showed you on Sunday will be on Fleabay in a couple of weeks . :thup: :chky: :24:

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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2009, 01:52:26 AM »
Hello,

I believe I am able to make a few observations on this event that will give a different perspective since I have exhibited at it since its second staging, all those years ago.

Like many specialised fairs, and the antique trade in general, the National Glass Fair is susceptible to the fads and changes in collecting as well as fashion and indeed the 'credit crunch'.

I know this will be contentious, but I think that it is fair to observe that the subject of 'traditional' pressed glass has some decline for a few years now. This might account for the fact that a number of the dealers associated with pressed glass have ceased trading, whilst another is ill, accounting for only a couple of stands at the fair specialising in the subject.

Whilst it is fair to draw attention to a stand that had interesting, but had damaged, items for sale, this might have been for any number of reasons, not least the fact that the dealer/seller in question may have paid highly for the items in question when things were more buoyant. It is therefore understandable that they would wish to recoup their outlay. However, it would also be possible to say that some folks are not up to speed with current prices and could therefore be aiming too high. Equally well they might be trying to support an ailing market by keeping their prices high whilst this might be misguided it is a possibility. In this case, it seems, the items were not only highly priced, but were also damaged, well that must be up to the conscience of the seller :o not the organiser (although, from a conversation with them I am aware that they are concerned about how this might reflect upon the fair and other sellers).

I also noticed a lack of textured Whitefriars for sale; this could be because it is difficult to source at a price that allows for the overheads associated with buying and selling with a small profit toward making a living. Equally well, since this market has seen a fall in prices, it might be that sellers who have paid high are waiting for prices to strengthen before putting items out again, rather than continually putting out the same old same old.

Unlike at Cambridge, the contemporary glass makers were mixed in with the sellers of 18th, 19th and 20th century items, which made for an interesting mix and allowed collectors in different areas to look at modern glass ware, which they might otherwise miss, or even ignore. Of course, as time goes on it is likely that more and more contemporary glass will be added to the mix, in the same way that 20th century glass has increased in its exposure over the last twenty or so years. Possibly this has been to the detriment of earlier glass, such as 18th century drinking glasses, but it is true to say that this is the way the antique trade has gone as a whole - look at brown furniture for an immediate comparison.

As for bargains, just as on many a previous occasion at glass fairs, I was able to buy items that I believed under priced on the ticket, late in the afternoon – and this after so many people had looked at everything that was on sale!

To further illustrate the point that people miss things, it wasn't until late in the afternoon that I had an enquiry about a rare large Dartington flame ‘Stig Platter’.

Of course it is possible to visit the fair and be desperately disappointed, or be highly pleased, but surely that is part of the fun, or challenge, of the chase? If you become disillusioned and decide not to go, perhaps you will be missing the chance to add to your collection, or buy stock, meet people and discuss your favourite subject, or just handle the items for sale.

It is true to say that we had some rather rough weather leading up to the opening of the fair, which was then exacerbated by the closure of the junction for people coming from the north on the M42, by Traffic Control, because of the Jeremy Clarkson extravaganza being held at the NEC. Although this was beyond the control of anyone, the organisers have been in touch with the various bodies involved with the decision in order to try to avoid the problem in the future. (Of course this should really be done by the Motorcycle Museum, since they have such a vested interest in sorting out the problem.)

Just some food for thought.

Kind wishes to all, Nigel

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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2009, 08:03:21 AM »
Well said Nigel all the people that i know well , including myself found several bargains and what a nice social event , if i had found nothing i would have come away happy :thup:  jp     stgeorgio.2007

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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2009, 03:08:00 PM »
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Like many specialised fairs, and the antique trade in general, the National Glass Fair is susceptible to the fads and changes in collecting as well as fashion and indeed the 'credit crunch'.

I know this will be contentious, but I think that it is fair to observe that the subject of 'traditional' pressed glass has some decline for a few years now. This might account for the fact that a number of the dealers associated with pressed glass have ceased trading, whilst another is ill, accounting for only a couple of stands at the fair specialising in the subject.

Whilst it is fair to draw attention to a stand that had interesting, but had damaged, items for sale, this might have been for any number of reasons, not least the fact that the dealer/seller in question may have paid highly for the items in question when things were more buoyant. .... In this case, it seems, the items were not only highly priced, but were also damaged, well that must be up to the conscience of the seller :o not the organiser (although, from a conversation with them I am aware that they are concerned about how this might reflect upon the fair and other sellers).....

Unlike at Cambridge, the contemporary glass makers were mixed in with the sellers of 18th, 19th and 20th century items, which made for an interesting mix and allowed collectors in different areas to look at modern glass ware, which they might otherwise miss, or even ignore.

Of course, as time goes on it is likely that more and more contemporary glass will be added to the mix, in the same way that 20th century glass has increased in its exposure over the last twenty or so years. .......

As for bargains, just as on many a previous occasion at glass fairs, I was able to buy items that I believed under priced on the ticket, late in the afternoon – and this after so many people had looked at everything that was on sale!
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Of course it is possible to visit the fair and be desperately disappointed, or be highly pleased, but surely that is part of the fun, or challenge, of the chase? If you become disillusioned and decide not to go, perhaps you will be missing the chance to add to your collection, or buy stock, meet people and discuss your favourite subject, or just handle the items for sale.

Kind wishes to all, Nigel

I agree with everything Nigel said, and particularly support the points I have quoted.  I went to the fair with one specific target in mind, and found a couple of pieces for which I was happy to pay what I thought was a fair price.  I also came away with some other pieces, but that's a different story... 

I think the organisers' policy of mixing up antique and contemporary glass encourages everyone to walk round and look carefully at what is on display.  Certainly, I found that some of the best things seemed to stand out only when there were fewer people milling around.

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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2009, 10:17:07 PM »
I hardly had a chance to go round the whole fair as it was very well attended and we were busy most of the time.

However, when I did a quick circuit the general impression that I formed was that this was an outstanding fair, packed with stands manned by knowledgeable dealers and artists and overall the quality of the glass on show and for sale was excellent.

It is extremely difficult to organize a fair of this nature and to achieve the right mix. I believe that the organisers, Paula and Christina Bishop deserve a vote of thanks for achieving such a splendid result with the return of this fair to the Motorcycle Museum. This is only the first autumn fair at this venue since they took over. Moving venues is always tricky and perhaps ore so in a recession,  but even with the road closures the turnout was excellent. I am certain that Pat Hier will be pleased to know that the fair that she started and into which she put so much of her redoubtable effort, goes from strength to strength.

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Re: Less 'Old' Glass at the National Glass Collectors Fair ?
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2009, 09:04:50 AM »
...   I believe that the organisers, Paula and Christina Bishop deserve a vote of thanks for achieving such a splendid result with the return of this fair to the Motorcycle Museum.   This is only the first autumn fair at this venue since they took over. Moving venues is always tricky and perhaps more so in a recession,  but even with the road closures the turnout was excellent.   I am certain that Pat Hier will be pleased to know that the fair that she started and into which she put so much of her redoubtable effort goes from strength to strength.

I'm in full agreement with Adam.

The National is located at the very centre of Britain, which is why the NEC is next door.   90% of our population is well within a four hour journey time, and could have attended, experienced the fabulous displays of glass, discussed it with the most knowledgeable authorities, AND bought some attractive glass, all for less than the cost of an evening out at a good restaurant.   Those who travel a long way are our regular American visitors, one of whom described it to me on her last visit as the Greatest Glass Show on Earth.

We had a great time.

Bernard C.  8)
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