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Author Topic: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?  (Read 1551 times)

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Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« on: November 18, 2009, 06:01:55 PM »
10.5 inches high,ruby coloured and iridescent,favourite piece this year,Keith

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Re: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 07:13:32 PM »
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Re: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 07:37:48 PM »
Thanks Ivo,my first choice also,Keith

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Re: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 04:27:27 PM »
Nice piece Keith, and quite tall too  ;D
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Re: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 04:52:58 PM »
IMHO I would actually suggest that this piece is by Kralik. A very large percentage of PK vase production has a pontil and is also in quite different colors from the more recognized Bohemian production color ranges I would consider this to be from.  I also can not think of, or find a piece of PK producution in this particular color, which was widely used by Kralik.

The coloration of this glass, combined with the mold blown production would point me strongly towards Kralik.

Lastly, although PK is a reasonably common attribution for threaded, or veined pieces, their glass is amongst the hardest to find genuine examples of. Threaded glass such as this is commonly called PK, and in reality a small percentage actually is.

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Re: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 06:32:14 PM »
SO looking forward to your book on that subject.

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Re: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2009, 08:32:05 PM »
Not a book..... a website....  covering Kralik, Loetz, Palme-Koenig, and Rindskopf. Some others will be added in time.  It is currently under construction, and will probably take several months to get it to the point where it will become public. There are several people involved and supporting the site and it's content such as Eddy Scheepers, Deb Truitt, Alfredo, some members of this board, and others.

Many books on the subject of Bohemian glass have known attribution errors, and a website can be continuously updated as information evolves. Errors in books continue to be wrong forever....unless you correct it and republish another edition. If someone owns that book, and nothing that corrects it, then they form future opinions based on false information. Don't get me wrong... I like books, I just have no desire to publish one....  I like the flexibility and fluidity of a website.  I like knowing that if a new discovery is made, or a new decor is found, or a previously mistaken attribution needs to be corrected, or whatever the situation may be... a website can present that information immediately. Additionally a website presents the opportunity for discussion and input from visitors. A book  does not offer that opportunity in real time.

As discussed recently on a different thread here, the records for most production of this glass are either destroyed, lost, or as Marcus pointed out recently about some of Kralik's records, they have been sealed by the Czech Republic government post communism for the purpose of preventing asset stripping by foreign companies and to protect people who were in public office during the communist regime. (those are the reported reasons for the blanket law).

As a result of this, a lot of the work to define production for this region from the above companies, with the exception of Loetz, whose records were discovered in museum in 1989, is worked based on empirical research, and as a result, opinions and information will change with time.

A website also offers the opportunity to present nearly unlimited information by simply enlarging the hosting plan.....

We would like to present a site that allows for continuing evolution as new finds are made...  a book does not offer that flexibility.

Craig

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Re: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2009, 08:36:47 PM »
Craig,
i very much look forward to seeing the website,
I am in awe of all who can write books, and collate so much information,
Its just not in me!
Yet!!

Andy
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Re: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2009, 09:52:37 PM »
Thanks Craig,the PK pieces I've seen tend to be a bit more 'weird' in form and did wonder,if as you say it's Kralik then I've now got around 15 pieces which is strange because until I joined the GMB I didn't realise I had any.The threaded(trailed)Kralik bowls I have were sold as PK with the possibility of being Richardsons and I've seen this attribution recently did Richardsons ever make anything like this?Keith.

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Re: Kralik or Palmer Koenig?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2009, 10:31:59 PM »
Keith, Your observation about PK's forms falls in line with many of the examples I think of when I think PK. Many are scissor cut from the top down and have a very distinct look to them. They also used frit, something that many people do not associate with their production. Their color range, which I think is quite nice, certainly differs from most of what you see attributed to them.

Of all of the images we are sifting through for the site, there is far less in terms of attributed PK than any of the other 3 primary houses. Although their name is well known and associated frequently with threaded or veined glass, their work is actually rather obscure, and most of it differs from what people think of as PK.

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