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Author Topic: Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece  (Read 2414 times)

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Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece
« on: December 02, 2009, 08:49:27 PM »
Hi

Can you help me identify this piece please? I have done a little research and concluded that it may be Czech Glass, but the black base, which has the only marking on the piece (No. 11231) suggests that it may be English. It can be displayed with either Fish or Vase.
The diameter of the bowl is exactly 25cm, which suggests it's European, but the height with either the Fish or Vase is exactly 10 inches (25.5cm) which suggest English. Any ideas??

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Re: Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 08:58:57 AM »
Hi,

The "Poisson Volant" is Inwald, pattern number 9830, the frog should be 12865, but is not. The bowl does not appear to match (IMHO). The centrepiece was supplied in the 1950s with an "Inwa" pattern bowl 12868. Plinth 11231 matches Inwald catalogue circa 1958. (Info courtesy of Sklo Union: Art Before Industry, by Marcus Newhall)
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Re: Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 10:47:45 AM »
Hi Della

Thank you very much for all the information, what an excellent reference book.

I suspected that it was Inwald, but wasn't sure. It seems odd that someone has hashed so many parts together from different pieces and wonder whether the original mistakes may have been made by the retailer when it was first sold. For example if a consignment was received by a retailer would they have allocated the task of assembling all the pieces to an expert or someone in the storeroom or shop floor?

I am thinking of offering it for sale, is this the wrong forum to ask for an idea of value?
 

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Re: Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 11:30:59 AM »
Hi,

See this link from Pamela's excellent site, for this item, with correct frog and "Inwa" bowl:
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/02733.html
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Re: Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 03:18:25 PM »
Hi Della

Thanks again, I see what you mean. It looks far more elegant in the Inwa bowl. I think I may have located the correct bowl, but where will I find the right 'frog'? ( Is that the thing in the middle the fish sits in??)

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Re: Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 05:02:13 PM »
The bowls and frogs are the relatively easy bit to find. Some of the right bowls also have built-in frogs. The fish is the hardest bit to find. What you will need to watch is getting the right green. Some of these are in green uranium glass and others are in non-uranium green glass.

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Re: Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 11:07:35 PM »
No help in pinning down who made the vase in your bowl, but I have the same shape/pattern as a clear glass standalone vase. I suspect it is Czech but haven't been able to pin it down as yet.
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Re: Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2009, 10:55:12 AM »
Thanks Anne

The vase does seem to match in better with the bowl, are the vase and bowl not a match from the Inwald catalogue?
There is also a glass sleeve which fits around the frog, is that a clue to origin?
Thanks again
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Re: Green Glass Art Deco Fish/Vase Centre piece
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2009, 10:11:42 PM »
It looks very much like a match with the bowl, but I don't have access to the Inwald catalogues to be able to check. Someone else may have though, fingers crossed! ;)
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