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Re: PéDéBé Information on this company? Wanted Please
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2009, 11:24:55 PM »
Hello,

Just a few comments about the link you gave Frank.

As I scrolled down I was concerned to see something that was claimed to be WMF Ikora, when it doesn't look like anything I have seen by them (I will be happy to be corrected). My apologies, but, how reliable are the attributions here? As for the accents the page doesn't seem to have any elsewhere either.

I never seen anything like the glass in this thread being attributed to the UK in the past.

Sorry but nothing to add otherwise.

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Re: PéDéBé Information on this company? Wanted Please
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2009, 11:34:07 PM »
Hi Nigel,

I also questioned the attribution of the glass to England as they said. I also questioned a couple of other attributions....   I am sure the glass shown as PeDeBe on the site is Czech, and the egg shaped piece they show is most likely Welz... 

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Re: PéDéBé Information on this company? Wanted Please
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2009, 12:20:55 AM »
I don't doubt it is not English but the label name could have been adapted for exports to the UK.
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Re: PéDéBé Information on this company? Wanted Please
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2009, 12:46:23 AM »
Hi,

Apologies Frank, for some reason that wasn't how I read your earlier points. Many thanks for the clarification :)

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Re: PéDéBé Information on this company? Wanted Please
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2009, 02:46:56 AM »
Ivo,

I am sure that there are are plethora of possibilities for the initials PDB, but I was actually only interested in any possibility of one that may have had something to do with glass, and none of your suggestions seemed as if they were remotely connected to the glass world. Maybe if you run across an importer with those initials from the 30's that had something, anything remotely to do with glass you could let me know.  

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Re: PéDéBé Information on this company? Wanted Please
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2009, 06:14:27 PM »
Hi Craig,
can´t help with the PéDéBé riddle, but here´s another version of this label
reading ´Kunstglas´. Do you think it´s a Welz piece, too?
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Re: PéDéBé Information on this company? Wanted Please
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2009, 06:57:22 PM »
Hi Dirk, I am still undecided as to the attribution of your piece. I have seen the label before though.  One observation on the glass is that it appears to display a characteristic that I have not been able to attribute to any other manufacturer of the region yet.  The characteristic is the use of double lines in the darker vertical stripes in the decor.  If you look at the image of the purple dish I posted you can see the double lines in the darker area of the purple. They are a little more difficult to see there. It can also be seen quite clearly in other pieces of Welz in larger sizes and also different colors.

I have not located a decor by another Czech house that exhibits this particular trait. I have a couple of other Welz images that I will post that show it more clearly.  I would be more inclined than not to say there is a strong possibility that the piece is later Welz, but to be honest with you, I am still doing a lot of work on Welz as a side project to the website. I have uncovered some interesting things though, that will be posted on the site when it is launched publicly.... Some of it will be, at the least, quite interesting....

The first image of the pink vase is actually a vase in the Passau Welz case.....  The other two pictures are Welz vases also, and the decor of the orange one bears a strikingly strong resemblance to your piece. 

The problem with using the label as a pointer for attribution is that it is beginning to appear that the label itself may be a generic shape of label offered by a printer(s) of the day, and as a result is turning up in several different forms...

While I am still being a little ambiguous   ;D   , I hope this helps....

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Re: PéDéBé Information on this company? Wanted Please
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2009, 07:13:01 PM »
Craig, many thanks for your opinion. Hope your project´s going well. I´m looking forward
to seeing your site once it´s started running.  :thup:
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