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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 06:13:16 PM »
It looks awfully like my tricorn bottle, which I've just measured - 13.75" tall, but if the neck had been broken off at the same point (to make it the same shape, as there's a slight bulge before the neck gets slimmer - a typical early thing) it would be 11" tall. Allowing for individual variations and/or a break, it's just too like a tricorn bottle, minus it's neck and flange.
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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2010, 06:41:22 PM »
phew... (caveat - severely limited knowledge from me ;D) hopefully this means I'm learning something from all my reading, but I initially looked at that Circa one and thought that mine was nothing like it in shape and with the worst pictures in the world I couldn't make the top of mine that shape.  Then looked again at Suzy's and Andy's and thought, oh, that's ok then, mine look like theirs :) .  In my ignorance, just thought that it must be a variation  :-\  Glad to know I saw something wasn't quite the same.
p.s. I've never seen a tricorn bottle so wouldn't make that connection.
Thanks again.  I am going to have to get more glass obviously  ;D
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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2010, 06:47:07 PM »
Suzy   :-* :-*
I have no idea how ive never seen it before, i use the books,
but the Millers Website is great and free, for some reason i didnt even think of googling them,
and dont think ive seen it on any search results :o  Strange,
its gone straight on my fav list, loads of glass!
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Andy
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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2010, 07:28:21 PM »
If there's any daylight at all, I'll try to get a pic of my Tricorn bottle this week to show the similarity. I do believe we are actually looking at two images of the same bottle, just different lighting conditions.
In Mark's book, the light is coming through it, but you can make out the same shapes in the underlying colours, in the image on circa, the light is more on the glass, which makes it look a bit more like the carafe.
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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2010, 08:47:28 PM »
I think you are barking up the right tree.  :clap:

I have never noticed that photo before (book/website) and it does not look like any other obelisk to me and it sure looks hollow. I also reckon it is likely a 'repaired' early bottle, note the indentation on the bottom. I bet it hides a snapped pontil, like the early Mdina bottles and many (or should that be all?) of the IoW attenuated bottles.

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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2010, 09:29:27 PM »
looking at the Millers picture am I right in thinking if you enlarge it that there is a definite hole at the top which is why it is described as a vase?  Does that show in the picture in the book?
or am I being confused by this whole thread ... which is likely ;)

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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2010, 10:00:07 PM »
Yes, probably.

It does not show in the book as the image is small.

Confusion, how could that be? ;D

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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2010, 10:04:50 PM »
 ;D
Just thought I may have been becoming confused about which photos were being compared to which  and lost my train of thought....and since I don't even have the book I probably shouldn't be contributing  :24:
But it struck me that if it is the same item, then perhaps that top rim bit would show in the book.

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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2010, 12:22:54 PM »
Hi m,
the picture in Marks book is tiny, its only now, you can see the top has probably been ground,
Id never looked that closely, i just always thought it was an unusual pattern for an obelisk!
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Re: mdina I think - obelisk I think - any idea of date please
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2010, 12:46:56 PM »
I think I got some images this-morning, I'm busy right now, and have to go out, so it will be later on before I can deal with them (computery-wise). The bases are all quite irregular in how they're finished during the early years - the base of my Tricorn is polished flat. I've got polished round pontil marks, ground round pontil marks, crescent moon shaped scars amid a polished flat base - I've even got a bit which has the Maltese cross stamp on it's base. It all depended on the availability of staff, time and equipment how bits are finihed off.

I've also got a couple of Earthtones square-bottomed bottles with attenuated necks - one has the top part "missing" - no flange, and roughly ground, the other with it's heat-finished flange. I don't know what happened to the ground one.

You'd think if somebody was bothering to get it polished, it would be smooth. Also, at the time I bought it, these were not going for the sort of money you'd think it would be worth somebody spending cash to fix.

So, to be honest, I wouldn't like to say this rough finish wasn't done at the factory.
They were struggling to keep up with demand and I think a lot of "non-standard" bits may well have been sold.

I've even got a Fish vase (heat-finished, smooth lip) which has no long neck at all, but a wide rim which finishes in the middle of the shoulders - sorry, it's packed away in the attic, can't get my mitts on it.
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