Topic: Holmegaard from Ikea!

[Tigerchips]

Have a look at Danish Retro Design website (Link is on Glasoholics). There is a bowl on there described as Holmegaard.

Here's my Ikea bowl
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20525.jpg

I sent this message to them
The Holmegaard bowl. Is the Ikea sticker still on it? It's on mine.

Here's the reply
Irregular grinding is recognizing Holmegaard
Holmegaards glasswerks stopped ingraving for a period of some years
before 1969 They started again in 1969
because of demand from customers
it means that this bowl is from the period without ingraving  
 
Ikea which is a swedish retailchain, is one of many retailers who has sold Holmegaard
our bowl is without label
Per Lytken is the designer of this beautiful bowl


BTW, and i'm positive it's totally unrelated, I recieved a virus before this message came. Nice.

[paradisetrader]

Tiger, This is an imprtant question of ID
so I'm moving it to the main Glass forum for serious consideration.

Here's the bowl on that website http://danish-retro.com.linux1.unoeuro.com/1200_012.htm

It's important we question ID's that we see online as long as we don't question the bona fides of the seller. Anyone can make a mistake.

[Ivo]

Ikea then? I could have swore blind that it was BAYEL.
 

[Frank]

What about the sellers detailed response then? If we are going to deal with misattribution those statements need to be addressed too.

I once had a very similar Lutken piece but signed.

[Ivo]

according to Dansk Glas that one was aqua blue.

[paradisetrader]

I agree Frank but I am bemused by the comments

I don't understand the comment about "irregular grinding".

I do remember Ivo or someone elese saying that Holmegarrd did stop signing their glass ...but I thought in the 70's

I very much doubt that IKEA ever sold any Holmegaard glass but I have no proof. I am basing my opinion only on the fact that IKEA sell very very cheaply whereas Holmegaard are have not been a low cost maker - on the contrary.

I do not think this bowl is by Holmegaard but again that's just my opinion.
I will look for the thread where we last discussed this.

When questionning an ID with a seller by email, I have found it useful to refer them to this board. I usually write something like.
"I do not think your item is XXXXX. See / try asking at .. www.glassmessages.com"
Since I started doing that, I have had nothing but "Thank you" notes in return, often mentioning that they are pleased to find a place where theuy can identify their items. They also often volunteer that they have changed or cancelled their listing.

[Ivo]

Ikea is a furniture store which has always been responsible for its own designs - most of it quite original, some of it leaning heavily on trends set by others. They have TTBOMK never sold Holmegaard glass.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1240464,00.html

[Frank]

How did I miss this!

Two bombs explode in Dutch branches

[Pinkspoons]

some of it leaning heavily on trends set by others

This is polite-speak for blatant design theft, aye?  :lol:

Many of their lighting pieces are direct copies of 1950's-70's lighting, even down to exact same measurements, which always makes buying them a bit of a minefield for me... I daresay many of their other ranges are equally plagurised.

[Frank]

Old design are often resold by the corporate owners after they bought up a glassworks - it is a normal part of the business known as asset stripping. Good that IKEA gives them a new lease of life at affordable prices.

Also industrial copyright rarely lasts longer than 25 years after which the designs can be used by anyone who can see them as having potential.

So it is not polite-speak for blatant design theft. IKEA have no need to do such a thing.