Author Topic: Blenko or tat? (Read 4388 times)

Tigerchips · « **on:** November 13, 2005, 11:36:17 PM »

Hi, i've just bought this 50p vase at a car boot sale today.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20821.jpg
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20832.jpg
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20833.jpg
It seems to have been used to hold flowers, it's mucky inside.

Can anybody identify this vase? Thank's.

glasswizard · « **Reply #1 on:** November 14, 2005, 10:40:07 PM »

I don't think this is Blenko, but I also certainly do not think its TAT, anyone else??? Terry

Ivo · « **Reply #2 on:** November 15, 2005, 08:06:21 AM »

In general terms, on the subject of ruby glass:
ruby had a wave of popularity in the late fourties and fifties, and if you see quality red glass these makers jump to mind:
Whitefriar's
WMF, Germany
Reijmyre, Sweden
Murano.
In recent years most red glass was made in Poland and in Romania - usually larger decorator pieces. You often find these with a slight reheat discolorations, because it is heat sensitive.

paradisetrader · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2005, 03:21:25 PM »

Ivo, you seem to use red and ruby interchangeably.
So can I deduce that the recipe is basically the same and therefore the color only changes in intensity (and accuracy of "strike") ?
Or are there reds which aren't ruby ?
I've seen some Scandi reds - Riihimaki comes to mind - which does seem a different tone to ruby...but that could be different lighting conditions in the photos or just my imagination.

For ref here is a Whitefriars Ruby Pot Belly Vase
Taken in daylight with no color correction or brightening.

I just compared the Pot Belly to a Whitefriars dish from circa 1940's up to the sunlight with white paper behind. The pot belly looks sparklier and a bit bighter because of the textured surface but essentially they do look the same tone as near as dammit. The dish doesnt photograph well and just looks almost black without a lot of brightening.

Note to Mike / Butchdog
Whitefriars called their red, Ruby.
I have no idea what Riihimaki or Johansfors call theirs which in any case would be in Finnish and Swedish respectively, so there's a problem of translation unless they have exactly equivalent words for both red and ruby....unless we all learn Finnish and Swedish ...... :roll:

Tigerchips · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2005, 09:51:21 PM »

Riihimaki seem to have a hint of orange in it.
1) Unknown
2) Riihimaki
3) Whitefriars
4) Reijmyre
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20866.jpg

Ivo · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2005, 08:06:24 AM »

Hey tiger is your Reijmyre oval?

Tigerchips · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2005, 09:09:10 AM »

Yes, it's been squashed inwards. It's Optic ribbed as well, I think that's what they call it.

It kind of reminds me of a Whitefriars vase they did but the optic ribbing is going in a different direction.

Leni · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2005, 10:25:08 AM »

Quote from: "Tigerchips"

There is a ring of yellow or orange on the rim but I think this is just a fault that I sometimes see in ruby coloured glass.

I certainly wouldn't call that a fault! :shock:

The two pieces of red, or 'ruby' Scandinavian glass I have, shown in this pic, http://tinypic.com/fut4bo.jpg (sorry, I've used this pic before - still no replacement camera yet

) both seem to be a mixture of 'cranberry' and 'amber' and I love it! :shock:

Leni

Ivo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2005, 10:31:32 AM »

My red bowl has now finally been identified as Reijmyre.

Adam · « **Reply #9 on:** November 18, 2005, 06:32:54 PM »

There are two main types of commercial ruby. One, "gold ruby" uses gold as the colourant and now seems to be called cranberry. The other, "selenium ruby", coloured oddly enough by selenium, is the traffic light/car rear light type ruby. Of course, intensities of colour can vary.

The text books tell us that a copper ruby is possible but I don't think I have ever seen one.

Adam D.