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Offline David555

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« on: November 21, 2005, 03:56:11 AM »
Hi

I bought some Italian paperweights the other day - one has a label and I have a rough idea what one other may be, help with any of the others appreciated, yet to buy any good Murano/Italian paperweight books (in fact is a new area for me, I usually collect Scottish)

3.8” diam, 2.6” high, weight 1 kilo – a magnum I think and of great quality with some fantastic canes, beautifully round, polished base
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/l1.jpg
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/l2base.jpg

2.75” diam, 2.5” high clear glass with bubbles to base and coloured flower, label ‘Ferro & Lazzarini’ any idea on what this design is called?
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/fl.jpg

2.75 diam, 3” high 'semi dump' scramble weight with some animal canes and aventurine - white circle to base
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/scramble.jpg
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/scramblebase.jpg

3” diam, 2.75” high clear glass with six 'stones' making up the bed, the stones 'large canes themselves' coloured purple with lots of white, yellow and red flower canes making up the interior
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/p1.jpg
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/p1b.jpg

5” high pear shaped weight with mottled red ground (there are many colours in the mottling giving a painters palate effect on close inspection, has hundreds of perfect bubbles uniformly spaced, polished base shows a clear glass interior
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/pearweight.jpg

Adam P
David is my Father's name, 555 is the number of man ('The Pixies'), but please call me ADAM P.


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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2005, 04:02:14 AM »
Hi

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2363.0.html

Leni

I saw the above thread and thought you may like to know what the label would have looked like on your Ferro & Lazzarini, they seem from the same series, although yours is more complex than mine :D

Anyone else got any thoughts on the other weights, is the X cane on the 1st closepack paperweight and indicator of anything. I have seen something close but labelled as vintage

It has been suggested that the scramble is an older Fratelli Tosso - not sure about that.

The third one is difficult as I can't see anything on Sweetbriar, eBay - it is so precise and the other millefiori are very ragged in comparison

The fourth I am sure is a Murano, it has that Italian base - but again I have only had vague ideas thrown at me

Any help appreciated, any good Murano P weight books or websites

Adam P
David is my Father's name, 555 is the number of man ('The Pixies'), but please call me ADAM P.


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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2005, 10:48:52 AM »
Jackie Lindsay's site 'Corner House Gallery'  http://www.muranopaperweights.co.uk/  is good for Murano paperweights.  

Your no. 3 looks like a 3Fiori to me.  

I have one very like your first closepack, but I don't think mine has an X cane  :shock:   Will have to go and look closely at it again!  :roll:  :lol:

PS.  Another useful site - very large and takes considerable time to download - is http://verredart.atspace.com/Paperweights.html  

Some of the ID's might surprise you  :shock:  :roll:
Leni


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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2005, 12:50:08 PM »
Hi Leni

Thanks for posting

Yes my number three looks like a few 3fiori aventurine scrambles I have seen, mine is old though and the base is very distinctive

I loved the long page collection - I think I have identified my controlled bubble pear as A. JABLONSKI, Poland, Pear shaped Crystal with Controlled Bubbles - mind you there are other Murano paperweights like it on the same site

A shame it does not give attributions, I see Fratelli Tosso labels on weights but no name given in the description box

Adam P
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2005, 08:49:03 PM »
Adding this from Murano thread

Any info on the above paperweights as well as the Venini appreciated

I bought this Item in Milan designed by Versace for £212.00 - I am interested in the Versace/Venini connection and the simplicity of the object.

I do not have it in any of my catalogues - does anyone know the name of the item? also it is etched to base Versace / Venini 1998/30 – I was getting information from the manager about how it was the last one in a small edition, I am sure the edition was limited but not to 30 – so what is the 30 for?

I have only just started to buy new Venini items, by that I mean pre 21st Century

Any help appreciated

4” diam, 2” high, 1.1k weight, round label ‘Venini Murano Made in Italy’, etched to base Versace / Venini 1998/30

Large round bottom/back & small standing base/side (etched)

http://hometown.aol.com/Sterlingbooks03/v1.jpg
http://hometown.aol.com/Sterlingbooks03/v2.jpg
http://hometown.aol.com/Sterlingbooks03/Picture2copy.jpg marks


Repeat of original post

Hi

I bought some Italian paperweights the other day - one has a label and I have a rough idea what one other may be, help with any of the others appreciated, yet to buy any good Murano/Italian paperweight books (in fact is a new area for me, I usually collect Scottish)

3.8” diam, 2.6” high, weight 1 kilo – a magnum I think and of great quality with some fantastic canes, beautifully round, polished base
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/l1.jpg
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/l2base.jpg

2.75” diam, 2.5” high clear glass with bubbles to base and coloured flower, label ‘Ferro & Lazzarini’ any idea on what this design is called?
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/fl.jpg

2.75 diam, 3” high 'semi dump' scramble weight with some animal canes and aventurine - white circle to base
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/scramble.jpg
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/scramblebase.jpg

3” diam, 2.75” high clear glass with six 'stones' making up the bed, the stones 'large canes themselves' coloured purple with lots of white, yellow and red flower canes making up the interior
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/p1.jpg
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/p1b.jpg

5” high pear shaped weight with mottled red ground (there are many colours in the mottling giving a painters palate effect on close inspection, has hundreds of perfect bubbles uniformly spaced, polished base shows a clear glass interior
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/blackcatgla/images/pearweight.jpg

Adam P
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2005, 05:33:56 PM »
hello - with ref to your five weights -

1.  If you can pinpoint the maker of this I would be very pleased as I have one exactly the same!

2.  Ferro & Lazzarini

3.  Possibly 3 Fiori, I agree with Leni - certainly could be their canes although I have not seen one exactly like that.  Ferro & Lazzarini also procuced some scrambles, using what looked like 3 Fiori canes. However F&L did produce a few millefiori type weights, though rather crude (not in a derogatory way) so they may have made cog canes themeselves.

4. I would say this is a good quality 3 Fiori.

5.  Hard to say - F&L were good at bubbled things, but only a hazardous guess.

Hope that is some food for thought!

Jackie
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2005, 11:52:18 PM »
Hi Jackie

Thanks so much for your opinion, it really helps to get lots of opinions as it helps take me in a direction, I agree with you tentatively about the 3 Fiori, can you tell me what date you think, as I heard they are signed or is that the newer weights.

I am trying to find out about the large colourful weight with the X cane, has yours got a similar cane in it? I love this weight it is so colourful and well made.

You know what I decided to email Venini about the weight I just bought; in fact the shop I bought it from gave me the wrong box. It has label to base calling the weight 'Grenadine' ... or could that be what it is called?

I don't know, that conjures up a red paperweight in my mind.

Adam P
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2005, 09:27:17 PM »
Hello again Adam - I have just re-read your original posting - properly this time as I was in a rush yesterday.  Sorry I see you asked for the name of the design of the F&L weight.  They probably called it "fiori.....(followed by whatever colour it was)". Just a descriptive name. My early stock sheets from them were identified by "Art.333" etc only.

I love your versace/Venini weight.  To be honest I don't care for Venini glass, I find it large and odd and very very expensive!  I have one Venini miniature weight, but it is not particularly attractive - I just wanted a Venini for my collection. How big is your Venini weight? Apologies if you have already said.

Regarding the colourful weight - what exactly are you referring to as the X cane? Am I being dense?  Mine is buried under a mountain of Xmas stuff, so cannot get at it to look at it at the moment.

Regards
Jackie


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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2005, 09:50:31 PM »
Hi Jackie

That's excellent information about the F&L - there have been a few posted on the board recently, similar bubbled bases with varied sprays in different colours, some look like flower petals (beautiful) - it makes sense that they would have a colour related name as that is what they seem to be all about - you have original stock sheets?, I have found a site that sells such things (catalogues, sales brochures and price lists) at about 15 euros, I guess some will be more useful than others but it must be worth buying a few to stumble on a really useful one.

The X cane is only my confection  :oops:  - it's at the top, an orange X with four blue dots (only cane like it in the weight)

Venini is 4” diam, 2” high, 1.1k weight, round label ‘Venini Murano Made in Italy’, etched to base Versace / Venini 1998/30

I wanted to know if the 30 referred to an edition number, they said in the shop it was old stock and it was the last of that edition?

I agree about the prices, an Inciso bottle was Euro 3,900 - I can get same 1970s version for under £800.00. It is not where any real collector would shop. They know me and let me in all the cupboards and I often find an out of edition item at the original price - even then it's expensive.

I have already been offered more than I paid for the one posted, I think it covers a few bases 1) Ltd editions 2) Venini 3) paperweights 4) Versace. It also has two bases so it can stand upright. It is very beautiful and just about the only Versace designed item I would want to own

Adam P
David is my Father's name, 555 is the number of man ('The Pixies'), but please call me ADAM P.


 

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