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Offline Bernard C

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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ?? - ID = Nazeing
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2010, 04:23:06 AM »
Michelle — thanks for the offer, but more photographs won't help.   I've just had another look at your photos, and can't decide between Nazeing and RB(S&W) — not sure now which I prefer.   The difficulty is that both seem to have used a similar process for their cloudy glass (as distinct from Keith Murray Cased Bubbly), and there is nothing on the RB(S&W) version published.

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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ??
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2010, 01:05:19 PM »
Hello,

Yes, Bernard was on the right track in the first place. This bowl is RB/S&W.

I have been unable to get onto the GMB, but that wizzard Anne has sorted out the gremlins for me  :) :)

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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ??
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2010, 01:30:16 PM »
hello Nigel  -  always good to have a postive attribution.     As I have commented elsewhere, some of these pre-war colourways are confusing to the un-educated like myself.     For the benefit of anyone else like me, are you able to describe why it is RB/S&W, rather than Nazeing - which it appeared to me    thanks in advance.   Paul S.


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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ??
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2010, 02:26:42 PM »
What is R&B?  And, am I correct in assuming that S&W is Stevens & Williams?  Thank you.


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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ??
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2010, 02:35:12 PM »
Paul  -  scroll back a little to Bernard's comments, and all will be revealed.   Paul S.


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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ??
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2010, 02:39:54 PM »
Thanks.


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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ??
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2010, 07:02:33 PM »
 :-[

Thank you so much for the correction, Nigel  :hiclp: - I'm clearly very wrong about this!
I know very little about S&W and all I know of RB is the studio-type range designed by the Harris family for them.

This is not my era of glass at all, but I did think I could tell Nazeing from Monart and the unidentified stuff nearly always labeled as "scottish glass".  :-[ :-[ :-[

How does one tell the difference between Nazeing and S&W?
Is it the shape of the bowl? (ie, a non-standard-for-Nazeing shape)

or is there more to it than that?

 
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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ??
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2010, 07:38:35 PM »
Hello,

In brief, the difference is evident because of a number of characteristics, including, the weight and therefore the thickness of the glass, the colour saturation/brightness, the shape, and the way the pontil is finished.

Research in the S&W Description books confirms the production of their version.

Nigel



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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ??
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2010, 07:45:40 PM »
thanks Nigel  -  however, sounds like its a tricky one for us amateurs - we'll have to come to you each time we are unsure :)   your help is appreciated, and well spotted by Bernard.   


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Re: Scottish or maybe WMF ??
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2010, 08:15:24 PM »
 :hiclp:
That's quite a lot of help, Nigel. Thanks ever so much!
I don't have the S&W book, though I do have a beautiful tazza that last year somebody suggested to me might be S&W. I'll have to get images and post them, it's a lovely thing. Older than my usual sort of thing, I bought it for it's beautiful and subtle colours and because it has lovely raspberry prunts.

The strange feature my friend found out when handling it was when he tapped it gently was that it rang... and rang..... and rang... a beautiful pure clear tone for an incredibly long time.

I hadn't expected such a shallow and slightly ribbed dish to do something like that.
It's very unusual.
My friend said that might be an indication of S&W?
Cheers, Sue (M)

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And there WOULD have been peace on earth.

 

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