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Offline Glen

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2004, 01:11:15 PM »
Tony - many thanks for your reply and suggestion. I had checked out John Bell's website (some luscious glass) but I don't feel that the baskets are quite like my George VI example. I've actually got a blue pearline example of the twig handled one shown there - and we've compared it to the larger George VI one. They are surely made in the same way, but they are not identical in terms of mould etc.

So I'm really still at the point where I'm saying it could be Sowerby or Greener. No proof as to which (if that's the case) yet.

More later - and still pondering here  :lol:

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2006, 09:14:44 AM »
Lots of ponderings that need furthering perhaps, please :)
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2006, 09:17:54 AM »
If my ponderings had been furthered, I'd have posted.  :shock:

I'd welcome anyone else's ponderings, though.  :lol:

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2006, 04:32:39 PM »
My wife and I have three baskets like this: crystal, amber, and blue. I cannot offer any help as to their manufacturer, but I can tell you a bit about how they were probably made. I have had the mouldmakers at Fenton Art Glass look at all three baskets of our baskets as well as several other similar ones (i. e., pressed handle) made in England or the US (there is a US Patent dating from the 1880s for such an item, and I am still researching this). One basket made in England actually has what would be called a “looped” handle, and there is also an English-made basket commemorating a bridge that is made this way.

The Fenton mouldmakers are of the opinion that the baskets were not pressed upside down. Such would necessitate all the figure work to be on the plunger, a difficult proposition, indeed.

A press mould consists of these parts: mould, bottom plate, plunger, and ring. Typically, each of these is a separate piece, and all must fit together snugly. The various joint marks on the basket suggest that the plunger is bifurcated (two parts which come together during pressing) and the handle is created by what is a called a deep ring. There is a joint mark right across the center of the basket and directly below the center of the handle.

The key technological problem is getting the glass to flow properly to create the handle. We are still pondering whether this piece was simply pressed to shape (the best case scenario economically) or whether a former was employed after pressing.

If you have the book devoted to the L. G. Wright Glass Co. by Measell/Roetteis look at figs. 904-905 and 909-910. These will help you visualize how a plunger can be bifurcated.

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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2006, 02:57:12 PM »
I've just had a thought about Bernard's "materials" allegedly supplied by Jobling.  There used to be an outfit called, I think, E J Jobling-Purser who were maybe half a mile from the Jobling factory.  They supplied fuel oils (not to Jobling in my time I think) and were certainly connected to the family.  I think some early histories refer to this.

Fuel oil is certainly a "material", although not in the sense we were thinking about.  A possibility, allowing for a little confusion of names?

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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 08:18:20 PM »
Steve and I have a new website – although it is predominantly devoted to Carnival Glass it also includes info on pressed glass etc. In the course of our recent Carnival research we discovered the answer to a mystery that has been eluding us for many years: the research and the illustrative analysis is shown on our new website.

Here is the topic that started our hunt for the answer (I wrote it in September 2004)

Very unusual George VI Commemorative Basket
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,339.0.html

The maker was not Sowerby, nor Davidson, nor Greener/Jobling, but was in fact Matthew Turnbull of Sunderland.

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http://www.thistlewoods.net

To see the article on Turnbull go to News on the top bar.

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 08:59:19 PM »
Well done both. Is your other website coming down eventually?


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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2009, 11:31:24 PM »
 :hiclp: Fantastic stuff, Glen!


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Re: Very unusual George VI Commemorative Basket
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2010, 12:28:28 AM »
Result topic merged with original topic to keep all the information in one place. 8)


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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2010, 10:28:12 PM »
I would have to do a bit of re-reading to give all the details but if memory serves me right Jobling Purser were suppliers of chemicals to the glass industry and (im struggling now) didnt they financially take over Greener when things went belly up and change the name to Jobling but still stay in business as Jobling Purser chemicals?
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