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Offline johnphilip

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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2010, 10:18:09 AM »
No Paul i was more than pleased because you may have noticed i am getting lazy in old age , i just love it when people take it up and expand it,  thats the great thing about this forum and all the wonderful people and we all learn so much . thanks again jp


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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2010, 01:49:42 PM »
A puzzler on the vase is the foot, or lack of one, I should say. I searched a little last night for old Murano vases with this type of bottom and found only one. It was by a company, Ferro & Figlio, that I doubt did Ivo's vase. I've not seen latticino of this form done by them. The bottom of the vase is not typical of Murano, but may be found. Your vase is a puzzler, Ivo. My thoughts on its age have gone back further after looking at pictures of old pieces last night.
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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2010, 02:41:42 PM »
Thank you for looking into it - I agree it is not an easy subject. Latticino, Mezza-filigrana and Zanfirico to start with - what is the proper usage? Then time and location - how to distinguish between antique Venetian and more recent work? It seems that in the 19th century this style was made in many countries - including the UK, Belgium, France, Spain and no doubt other countries as well. Time someone did a book on it....
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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2011, 11:15:08 AM »
Ivo, my knowledge on this is limited to zero, but I found a great list of photos  and wondered whether you'd seen them (apologies as you probably already have seen them and have many more resources at your fingertips than I) - the book I think is La Cristallerie de Clichy: Une prestigieuse manufacture de XIXC siecle.
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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2011, 01:16:39 PM »
Yes I did follow the discussion and added Clichy as an alternative - but I meanwhile found out that very similar work (including the pink edge!) was also produced in Belgium - so keeping my options open.
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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 01:33:03 PM »
these are not the same but reminded me of the intricacy of your piece
http://www.flickr.com/photos/unforth/3277669304/in/photostream/
apparently 'possibly Low Countries, Liege or Antwerp'
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p.s. there are some beautiful pics to flick through on that link as well.


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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2012, 01:53:49 PM »
wonderful pictures - thank you.
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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2012, 12:19:15 AM »
How about Spanish?
In Glass by George Savage 1972 edition page 70, there is a Cantaro 'with latticino decoration in the Venetian manner. Spain. Eighteenth century'.  The foot has the spirit of your vase and whilst the latticino is in strips separated by clear glass, it seems to be the same as yours.  Would the red rim preclude Spain?
Can photograph and send a pic on email if you wish.

Bacchus used a red rim trail c 1850 as well, but that's as far as I 've got...no idea if they would have made something like this or used latticino or filigrana
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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2012, 01:46:58 PM »
the piece in the book is a combination in shape of some of these pieces, but the latticino is like yours.  The foot is very similar to the one on the very left of this link, which reminded me of your vase - which is why I was wondering if Spain may be an option.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/unforth/3277667334/in/photostream/
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Re: Latticino from Saint-Louis or Murano?
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2012, 08:32:03 PM »
I thought you might like to see this piece from the Wallace collection (if you haven't already) - it's a very early piece c16th.  The tight knit effect of the latticino and the shape of the vase has some similarities with yours so I thought you'd find it interesting -  but the foot is very different and the latticino close up is completely different although superficially it has similarities - you can click on the picture and it enlarges so one can see how the latticino is done - amazing detail.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Venezia%2C_fiasca_da_pellegrino_con_vetro_a_retorti%2C_1550-1600_ca..JPG
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