Topic: Paul Ysart - or a disciple?

[SophieB]

Hi Kevin,

I know your 'habits' and I was happy to wait until after the auction ended... For me, these questions are more an educational tool, really. :angel:

SophieB

[saorsa]

Hi all , been looking with interest at the post , some will know me from my dealing with Monart Glass on ebay and the help that Both Frank and Kev H have given me with identification of some of the monart weights that i have listed .( i do also think it a little unfair that you all know that Kev H likes his weights  an he must be torn in giving an answer that may ultimately cost him extra money in the end )


i am the one that is selling this weight at the moment , i would say that i am convinced that it is  an Ysart weight ,however if i had listed it as such i would have been bombarded with questions of how i could prove that it was actually attributed to Paul.

I am quite happy to offer any member of the glass message board a no quibble money back guarantee if they are not 100 % delighted with this weight

all the very best Greg

[tropdevin]

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Hi Greg

Thanks for your comments. I am reassured that you too find yourself in the 'I'm sure, but cannot guarantee it' position! And your offer seems very fair.

What I find interesting (but not surprising) is that the discussion in this forum of paperweights labelled, for example, 'Baccarat' when they are in fact Murano is considered fair game, and well worthwhile - whereas raising the possibility of a 'Murano' actually being a Baccarat is seen as committing a 'faux pas' until the auction has ended.

Do I detect greed and self interest in equal proportions? Surely not.

Alan

[jamalpa36]

Thats helped it along a bit 

[alexander]

Self interest is always hard to surpress 
And I find nothing wrong with it as longs as one is ethical. Some collectors simply do not have hundreds or thousands of pounds
to spend on a paperweight so they are left hoping that the piece will sell for less than "list" price.

Those who do find the "gem" have spent time and resources learing about the subject and scanning all the listings,
not just searches for Baccarat or Clichy. Is it wrong for that effort to be rewarded every once in a blue moon?

Is it greedy to hope for a cheap Clichy, Baccarat or XYZ? If you're planning to flip it then yes, a little - that's what fuels trading,
if you're a small time collector...?

If you are not a dealer or have deep pockets it is hard to buy the "good" paperweights simply because they are incredibly expensive.

However there is a difference between advertising something as less valuable than it really is and
advertising a fake or much higher value than it really is.

Collectors who are new to glass may be fooled by a misattribution and pay a lot of money for a fairly worthless piece of glass.

Personally I don't consider posting a live auction 'faux pas', but I do prefer they wait until the bidding ends.
I never pay any attention to what the seller writes about attribution anyways, I make my decisions solely based on the
pictures and description. When I see a blatant fake or misattribution I usually email the seller.

Those who are listed with BIN's far lower than the real value disappear so fast they don't have time to appear here.

[tropdevin]

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Hi Alexander (and others)

I fully agree with you about there being nothing wrong or unethical about wanting to get a 'hidden gem' cheap. If I had seen the weight that started this thread as a Buy it Now for £50, I would have bought it - but still not known whether it was by Paul Ysart.  And to clarify, I was not criticising Kev H - or anyone else - from wanting to hold back from commenting until the auction ended if he planned to bid.

I was grumbling about the concept of not discussing live auctions unless they were biased in the favour of the seller - presumably in case someone out there did not get their 'hidden gem' quite so cheaply. However, if the 'hidden gem' they have spotted appears in a public discussion forum (here or elsewhere), then that is a clear indication that they were not the only person to spot it!

Alan