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Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« on: July 18, 2010, 07:47:26 PM »
Hi, I bought this bottle a couple of years ago at a flea market for my Mother. I told my Mother that I believed that the bottle was Murano, and that it may of been designed by Flavio Polio in the 60's. The bottle has no markings or labels,it is 20cm high and weighs 2154g.I would be much obliged if any one could tell me more about it. Henry

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Re: Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2010, 10:12:51 PM »
Could you please provide pics of the rim, a base shot and a close up of the sommerso section?





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Re: Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2010, 10:36:47 PM »
Hi Kane, thanks for reply to my post, I haven't yet got a picture  of the base or a clearer one of the sommerso. I do have one of the rim which i will post here and will take some more pictures tomorrow under better light condotions.I can tell you that the base is flat clear and polished. Henry

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Re: Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 05:38:47 AM »
It has been suggested that this is a Poli shape, as it is clean and architectural. The color combination in yours is certainly a color combo he used.

That having been said there is a posting on here for the attached piece which I own, and it has never been confirmed that Poli had anything to do with it. Mine has been on for over a year at this point.....

There is some interesting reading abut the shape etc at this link:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,26565.0.html

Nice vase. Your is the third one in this form I have ever seen...... Where yours is two colors and has a clear outer layer, mine is a cobalt vessel cased in Vaseline.....   they appear to be quite uncommon......

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Re: Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 07:49:56 AM »
Craig, what was the colour of the third one that you saw? If you can remember.

From what I can tell from the pic, the rim hasn't been polished flat? Am I correct? I would have thought that if it was a SVdA piece that this would have been done. What about yours Craig?

The other thing is the size of the pink layer. It seems quite large compared to alot of other pieces of Poli i have seen or own. Maybe I just have a knack of finding pieces that have a thinner secondary layer. 

Although the colour is consistent! With Craigs piece I am not sure. Only because of the Uranium layer which is something you don't often see.

In regards to the shape. It is something I would expect from a Poli piece and I do love his designs. But for these two, my gut says no for some reason.


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Re: Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 11:32:01 AM »
Thanks for that Craig and Kane. The thing that made me think that the vase was designed by Flavio polio was the colours used, they seem to be the colour combination most used when i see his work in books. love your bottle Craig and don't know if i would of come to the same conclusion that i did if I had seen it first.I do like the idea that the bottle is quite rear.I tried to explain the thread concerning your bottle to my Mother and I'm afraid she was was more confused about here bottle than ever lol. Here are some more pictures of the bottle I took earlier. I would like to ask you Craig what the inside of the neck of your bottle looks like ?

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=829&pos=4

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=829&pos=5

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=829&pos=6

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=829&pos=0

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=829&pos=1

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=829&pos=2

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?album=829&pos=3


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Re: Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2010, 11:39:59 AM »
Hmm. The pink and blue one also doesn't have the flat shoulders of Craig's. The blue and pink are very common in modern "pseudo" Murano. I too would expect a ground and polished rim. There's lots of striations. The glass is very thick at the rim. There doesn't seem to be much base wear.

Craig's I can see being Murano, but Murano wouldn't be my first choice for the blue and pink one. I could be talking tosh of course.


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Re: Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2010, 12:30:42 PM »
Thanks for your reply Christine, I was looking at the other photo of bottle in Craig's thread from a year ago and maybe its because I'm holding the bottle that my mother has in my hand that i still think they are from the same place. Looking at the other photo and this peace they both seem to have the same straitions on the top of the body. But you are right about the rim and the thickness of it.I was looking at a piece of Veti d'Arte Sueguso glass in The Antques  Road show Collectables guide and it seems to have the same rim as the bottle, the write up on the peace in the book indicates that there might be a chance that the piece may be by polio but lacked attribution.There is some wear and tear on the base that wasn't picked up in the picture but maybe not as much as i would like from a 50 years plus peace of glass.I also may may be allowing my desire for wanting this bottle to be by Flavio Polio  to cloud my judgement and would would not like to course offence to anyone who replies to this topic.


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Re: Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2010, 02:21:07 PM »
In reviewing my other post on the piece, I remembered that it was not a piece in the same shape, it was a piece in similar colors to mine David had directed me towards, so these are the only two I have ever seen in this form.

The rim of mine is the same as the one on Henry's. Mine is also just under 20 cm tall and quite heavy. It has a polished base and exhibits age wear underfoot.  The difference in the appearance of the shoulder angle is due to the difference in angles of the images. I think the shapes are the same.

As far as the Cranberry layer on Henry's piece, if one looks very closely at the image of the neck from the side you will see a small tinge of pink in the clear casing surrounding the neck. This indicates an extremely thin layer of Cranberry that traverses the body of the piece and is then visible in the neck region. That particular feature is also present in a huge Sommerso piece I have that has been attributed to Poli. (19 x 10 x 4 inches and 25 lbs) Pic attached.  My piece does not have the same thickness of Cranberry at the base, but there is more of it near the bottom as the blue is color shifted to a purple by it's presence, and as with Henry's, it is very thin at the neck and only visible if one sees it at the right angle....

So, although the use of pink and cobalt is present in many knock off pieces, my feeling would be that the degree of execution on Henry's vase would preclude it from being one of "those" pieces, as they are generally much more clumsy than this.

I have absolutely no doubt that these two pieces are from the same house. I do not know if they are Seguso/Poli pieces though.... Time will tell....
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Re: Flavio Polio Bottle ?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2010, 11:33:46 PM »
Had a 2am wake up call and typically, this topic came to mind! This shape I have seen before by SVdA, however, it was not a sommerso piece but a soffiato piece that I bidded on (but lost) about 3 months ago. The piece was an amberish colour from the 1930's-40's. The height from rememberence was 17cm tall and the shape was identical.

Not much help in identifying these sommerso pieces though. If the rim was ground and polished like most of the Poli pieces I have seen, and would expect, then I would say  :cheers:. However, it might be a while (or never) till a labelled piece comes up.

 

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