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Author Topic: Can anyone give me the maker's name  (Read 1510 times)

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Offline Lustrousstone

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Re: Can anyone give me the maker's name
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2011, 09:07:13 AM »
Those are better.  ;D Remember we only have what you show us to go on, so if we dispute you have to provide evidence to refute.

Yes, it is glass, but painted pieces are notoriously difficult to attribute. There were numerous Bohemian/Czech refiners (decorators) and numerous manufacturers (some of whom did their own decorating). The fact that no one (so far contributing) has seen such a base makes ID even less likely.

I think possibly Bohemian/Czech and maybe late 19th/early 20th century may be the best you get. Beigey brown is not even an unusual colour.

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Re: Can anyone give me the maker's name
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2011, 09:34:13 AM »
Thank you Christine - the unusual base, the absence of chips, the thickness of the glass, the very "moriage" like decoration have me stumped.  I assumed it was Bohemian and I certainly am not trying to sell it. 

However, it did peeve me a little to have some six/seven people tell me I am idiot who can't tell glass from Pottery/China.  I have been collecting for c. 30 years and I too have seen lots and lots of STUFF including that Moorcroft-like pottery from a few years back that was actually glass made to look like pottery.

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Re: Can anyone give me the maker's name
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2011, 10:50:33 AM »
hello ross............for me the word 'moriage' is a new one completely - thanks for that, and just goes to show how much we can all learn on a forum such as this. :)    I don't for a moment believe that anyone seriously thought you an idiot, but I'm a little surprised that some persisted in doubting that it was glass.   I'm one of the least knoweldgable here, but having seen a few of these pieces over the past decade felt I recogized the pointers for glass as opposed to ceramic.      The clincher of course, is in the last two pics. showing the transmitted light  - had we seen those images first, then I doubt the problem would has arisen.      As Christine has commented, these things were made by many outputs, over many years, and unless signed it is highly unlikely you will ever arrive at an attribution.      However, nice vase, and hope you might use it for decoration or flowers. :)

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Re: Can anyone give me the maker's name
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2011, 10:57:57 AM »
Nobody mentioned the word idiot, LOL. And I can assure you that some venerable and experienced glass collectors on here have been fooled by ceramics and that we eventually dug down to the truth, as we have here. It wasn't personal; just an attempt to get to the truth.

It's like when I'm editing: if I question something someone has written or edit it radically, there is no point in the writer being precious about their words. If I feel the need to change something, it's because I'm not getting the right message or understanding what they are saying. I only have what is in front of me, not what is in their head as well. The writer needs to think about why I don't understand.

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Re: Can anyone give me the maker's name
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2011, 11:29:22 AM »
Ross, I think it just exemplifies the extreme difficulty in getting a feeling for a piece without actually being able to handle it.   For me, that is why, unless I know and have held a piece of glass, buying a piece on ebay is so troublesome.  Descriptions that people give include what is in their head/the knowledge they already have about a piece - and actually I sometimes have great difficulty seeing what they are 'seeing' even if their description is quite good.  I've also been very surprised when I eventually did make it to a glass fair, when I saw and held pieces that I had imagined to be very different than they turned out to be.  I used to covet certain pieces of glass until I actually saw them - once I held them I decided not.  And conversely the case as well - there are lots of examples I could give but one I recall clearly experiencing is I have quite a few pieces of Tamara Aladin glass and could never understand the interest in a Nanny Still Tiimalasi piece... until I actually bought one and it was absolutely beautiful.  Pictures do not always speak a thousand words.  Well, I'm glad you didn't break it  ;D  It looks quite orangey fiery when you hold it against the light, so it may have bone ash content.  It's a pretty colour.  And I think with that base, you may one day come upon another as it is quite different.  Never say never  ;D
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Re: Can anyone give me the maker's name
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2011, 02:36:46 PM »
Based on these images it certainly looks like glass.....  based on the previous set it looked like ceramic......
The real lesson here for me is that pics are the very most important part of the start of a conversation.......

and I agree with Christine... no one inferred anyone was an idiot...... 

If we all agreed all the time, no one on here would ever learn anything.....

One of the difficulties of attributing decorated pieces such as this is that in many cases, especially the Bohemian glass that I am the most familiar with, decorating houses were, in many cases, different from the glass house that produced the blank.  The end result is that you end up with what we term on our site to be a dual attribution, such as a Kralik blank decorated by Hosch..... if both companies involved in the piece can be determined at all..

Craig
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