Thank you ivo. I like to catologue all my items for reference for my daughter in the future when one day she will inherit all my items. I also have posted another couple of birds that I have not a clue as to their origin. They were sold to me at auction as possibly stromberg if you'd care to take a look. They came from the same person I bought these 2 nuutajarvi from & I know they mainly collected scandanavian glass, so I'm assuming there from there somewhere.