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Author Topic: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?  (Read 5627 times)

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Offline keith

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Not an expert but no mention of him in 'Art Feat and Mystery' the story of T.Webb,also looked in 'The Crystal Years' S&W and most of my other books,zilch,

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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 02:29:48 AM »
It turns out that the fishscale vases (example attached) were not made by Webb, and not even made in England.  One of these vases turned up with an RD number on it that showed that it was registered in 1885 by Wittman & Roth, an importer of foreign glass and china.  There is evidence that they did design some of their pieces, so it is possible that they did the design (or maybe not).  Some of their imports have been traced back to Bohemia. I have not found any information on whether they imported from other countries.  I still know nothing about the mysterious GLF signature, except that it would not be a George L. Fereday from Webb since it is not a Webb piece.

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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 02:10:30 PM »
but that is one stunningly beautiful vase  :thud:  :mrgreen:
I'm sure you will find the maker at some point - seriously jealous here.
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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 12:30:53 AM »

I realise that the Webb attribution has been blown, but to follow up on the Fereday name. Jason Ellis does not mention a George at all in his book "Glassmakers of Stourbridge and Dudley 1612-2002". the only two Feredays are mentioned on page 474, note 53:

"John Thomas Fereday, son of Joseph Fereday, who ran a grocery shop in Church Street, Kingswinford and his wife Sarah; b 18th Mar 1854, Kingswinford; PRO 1881 cencus of Kingswinford RG11/2893/6; d. 28th Feb 1942 at Llandudno."

I am therefore guessing (from this well researched source) that there was no George L Fereday and that it arose from one original misconception being copied by others.

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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 07:24:42 PM »
 :thud:
You think it's stunningly beautiful, Flying Free?
Ummm, I think it looks like a bum in pink fishnet tights.  :pb:
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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2012, 10:29:09 PM »

Oh dear. That had occured to me, but I thought, no Nigel, "Leave it!!!!". I still think it's a very good piece of work; just that a photograph has rendered a very unfortunate representation - well, to some of us reprobates ;)

Sorry about my mind  :o :pb:

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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 11:39:16 PM »
 oh .... yes it does!  :24: :24:  :24: but then you know I love figural pieces  ;D
And after all, if we were all after the same pieces of glass  then the world would be more boring for it - a difference in taste is to be celebrated  :kissy:  I will be expecting no competition then when one comes up for auction  :rah:
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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2012, 11:40:21 AM »
I prefer my Bertil Vallien bum - it's wearing leather or pvc.  :bat:
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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2013, 08:38:25 PM »
I wonder if they aren't Harrach. I have a fishscale tall vase with a clear design over it.

This piece is harrach

http://www.thegildedcurio.com/item-Harrach-843.html

then I got this piece recently.

which has a very similar feel, I don't know what the RD traces back to but it's got the mark of the retailer mentioned above; Whitman and Roth. The Seller attributed it to Webb and I had thought of this style as always attributed to webb but at heart I've been thinking it really looks like Harrach. My clear fishscale pieces have a slightly different pattern than the cameo ones though. the design is sunken in the colored pieces as opposed to raised in mine. Also the way the base is finished does look like the way I stereo-typically think of Webb cased. a giant polished pontil that takes up nearly the entire base. Whereas Harrach seems to be more restrained in their pontil polishing.

does anyone know of a way to track down this RD number? 39086? I am guessing it will trace to whitman and roth.

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