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Author Topic: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?  (Read 14287 times)

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Hard to say, but this c1900 Bruder Rachmann scent spray might be a similar type of decoration although the catalogue does not describe the decoration but it falls between complex and simple cut pieces pricewise. Image copyright and courtesy glasscatalogue.com

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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2015, 04:25:41 PM »
Just adding this for future reference.
I think it is established (thanks Christine)on another thread that this vase/bowl (listed as possibly Stevens and Williams)
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/fieldings-auctioneers-ltd/catalogue-id-srfi10026/lot-5aeb0b47-ba70-4aed-b412-a44a00f6b93d
(satin brown shaded with a gilded padded enamel pattern of branches flowers and small buds on the branches 7Mar2015 Fieldings auction lot 450)
is actually a Thomas Webb brown shaded vase (bowl).

I also believe that these vases are decorated with the same pattern as the brown shaded and I think have been done by the same enameller/gilder
http://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/lot/104885
so I agree with the auctioneer's id of Thomas Webb for that pair.

The pair of vases have a gilded zigzag collar that appears to be very similar to the collar seen on this fishscale vase (it is fishscale but is difficult to tell as it's all white.
http://eronjohnsonantiques.com/products/g0720-english-stevens-and-williams-koi-decorated-glass-vase
so if the pair of vases are Thomas Webb, it is possible that the fishscale vases might also be Thomas Webb based on the collar decoration. Clearly, it still needs to be checked to see if other makers (Harrach perhaps?) also used that decorative device on the collar of their vases.
I'll add info if I find any more.
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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2019, 07:31:59 AM »
I came across a potentially interesting piece of information quite by accident so wanted to add a potential candidate for maker here - Clemens Rasch, Ulrichsthal and Meisterdorf.


http://www.glass-study.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=223:glass-and-glass-ware-paris-1878-05&catid=207:us-congress-report-paris-1878&Itemid=199

A report from the 1878 Paris Exhibition (my bolding to show the wording on the pink glass):

'Clemens Rasch, Ulrichsthal and Meistersdorf.
A variety of colored decorated glass.

A very pretty pale amber service, engraved; also one in light pink; both of very pure colors.

The usual variety of decorated vases.

A new style of frosted pink vases on an opal inner coat, ground in parts to show the opal coating, and engraved upon the pink outer coat. This style is said to have been recently patented.

Black vases decorated in white enamel, and a variety of iridescent glass.'

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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2020, 06:48:40 AM »
I'm presuming this is just the way the pontil mark has been polished but something caught my eye this morning.
Searching for cameo vases I came across this Muller Croismare vase and looked at the mark.  The polished base shows what appear to be some randomly sized 'petals' in the overlay colour pink:
https://auctions.toomeyco.com/asp/fullcatalogue.asp?salelot=110++++++399+&refno=+++16117

I also came across this fishscale bowl in the same pink design as the others on this thread and on the base signed in black GSF but also has the remains of pink randomly sized 'petals'
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Rare-Webb-cameo-Fishscale-small-bowl-late-19th-c-11450/273777074516?hash=item3fbe62a154:g:u34AAOSwHYpaEj9k

I'm sure it's just a complete coincidence and is a result of the way the pontil mark has been finished/polished in both pieces, but thought I'd add the examples for future reference.

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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2020, 12:53:35 PM »
Right, I knew I'd seen something that reminded me of these vases somehow.


The French connection on the base of this Muller Croismare vase as I mentioned in the post above:
https://auctions.toomeyco.com/Thumb/117/16117_view%2004_04tn.jpg
and this one on ebay that has a polished pontil base with a mark that also leaves a set of pink 'petals' showing through the white after polishing as does the Muller Croismare vase led me to my books:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Rare-Webb-cameo-Fishscale-small-bowl-late-19th-c-11450/273777074516?hash=item3fbe62a154:g:u34AAOSwHYpaEj9k

On page 265 of the La Cristallerie de Clichy plate bottom left,shows a pink cut to white vase - pear shaped with a small applied foot, Persian type pattern of the pink with gilded bands around the neck.  Nothing like the GLS pink fishscale vases shapes however the pink over white is a colour scheme Clichy used.
Detail of the pink over white Persian vase can be seen here in La Cristallerie de Clichy online book link on page 156- top picture:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KEYMY4_ytuUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=la+cristallerie+de+clichy&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB5tflzNTrAhWHzKQKHS7LBNUQ6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=la%20cristallerie%20de%20clichy&f=false

The vase is here on page 265:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KEYMY4_ytuUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=la+cristallerie+de+clichy&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB5tflzNTrAhWHzKQKHS7LBNUQ6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=265&f=false


A similarly decorated neck pattern can be seen on a vase on page 290 - clear engraved vase large bulbous with a splayed foot and fish handles either side of neck in Japanese style.  The rim of the neck has an engraved diagonal multi line pattern on it.  Not identical to these vases but similar. Vase dates to about 1860-1870 - see right hand large vase here:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KEYMY4_ytuUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=la+cristallerie+de+clichy&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB5tflzNTrAhWHzKQKHS7LBNUQ6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=290&f=false

I wonder if these vases were made by Clichy - or maybe Appert Freres?


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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2020, 08:15:57 PM »
The odd pink petal mark on the base of both the fishscale and the pink cameo vase by Muller Croismare are too similar to be a coincidence.  They are not identical but that's not a mark made by accident I don't think:

https://auctions.toomeyco.com/asp/fullcatalogue.asp?salelot=110++++++399+&refno=+++16117

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Rare-Webb-cameo-Fishscale-small-bowl-late-19th-c-11450/273777074516?hash=item3fbe62a154:g:u34AAOSwHYpaEj9k

A bit of history on Muller Croismare just in case it turns out to be important
http://www.artdecoceramicglasslight.com/makers/muller-freres/muller-freres---biograp

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Re: Are the fishscale cameo vases marked as GLF (George L. Fereday) by Webb?
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2020, 07:45:22 PM »
Maybe from Loetz?

Very detailed information here on Wittman and Roth - Wittman & co. research and information written by  Warren R. Gallé, Jr.

The initial information is on Loetz 'Octopus/Victoria' vases but if you scroll down there is detailed information on Wittman and Roth:

https://www.loetz.com/featured-articles/loetz-octopus-victoria-and-the-english-connection



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