Hi Wayne, and thanks for such a quick reply, I know I have not got Hi Sklo lo sklo by Mark Hill ( on my to get list ) but i remember flicking through a copy at a fair once, maybe thats why i'm so sure I've seen it in a book. So not Scandinavian at all, and maybe a lot older than I thought, once again I realise that i've so much to learn, cheers again D :thup: