OK, I believe the lighter blue one is a Strathearn P8, 10-spoke, 1.2.2. Quite a high dome, 2 in , and about 2.5 in diameter. Mid-blue mottled ground. I'm pretty sure I have this one sorted.
It's the next one that's confusing me. I thought it was Vasart; now I don't know. 11 spokes, lowish dome, 1.625 in and 3 inch diameter. Cobalt blue plain ground. Loads of bubbles. Ground and polished pontil mark. Help please.