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Offline Leni

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Stuart cut glass plate and posy holder
« on: September 12, 2010, 06:43:29 PM »
I bought these two items together, and the seller was convinced they were meant to be used together, but I'm not convinced.  The little plate (5 inches / 12.5cm) is marked 'Stuart England', in the script which identifies it as being made between 1930 and 1950, and the candle holder (just under 2 inches / 5cm tall and 3 & 1/2 inches / 9cm diameter across the top) is not marked at all.  But it's the cutting which looks to me as if they don't go together   :huh:  

Would love to hear what other people think.  Thanks.
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Re: Stuart cut glass plate and candle holder
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2010, 07:13:53 PM »
Hi Leni,

I agree that the patterns don't appear to be the same. I'd also suggest that it ain't a candleholder, but a small posy bowl with flat rim  ;) :)

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Re: Stuart cut glass plate and candle holder
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2010, 08:39:19 PM »
I'd agree with Nigel, not a match, and surely a posy holder. I have one which is similar in shape with a star base, but a different cut pattern on the top... no maker's mark on this either sadly. :(


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Re: Stuart cut glass plate and candle holder
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2010, 09:07:15 PM »
Nigel!   :D  Great to see you back here!   :hi:  I've missed you! 

OK, thanks to both of you for your help.  Not a candle holder, but a small posy bowl then  ::)  And it seems we are agreed that they don't belong together.  So is the posy bowl even Stuart?  :spls:  Since it isn't marked, and the two items don't actually belong together, I see no reason to suppose it is!  Anyone any idea what it might be?  Is the cutting any sort of a clue?  I would have thought your fairly distinctive rose pattern cutting was recognisable, Anne!  :huh: 
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Re: Stuart cut glass plate and candle holder
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2010, 09:51:25 PM »
I thought so too Leni but it's defied my ID attempts so far. :( Does yours have any sort of age wear to it? Mine doesn't.

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Re: Stuart cut glass plate and candle holder
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2010, 06:32:57 AM »
Leni — Your mushroom posy four cut bars pattern is echoed in Stuart vase square bases (Benson & Hayhurst #69, #70), whereas the three short rim cuts are Walsh/Farquharson Ayr pattern (Reynolds fig.152).

Anne — Your foliage on the mushroom posy is Walsh (Reynolds fig.56 (iii)), whereas the very low angled cuts (Benson calls them "mitre cuts") of the rose petals are a well-known Stuart/Kny feature (Benson & Hayhurst #17–19, #22–27, #63–68).

Two excellent examples of how you can "prove" the attribution you desire by picking the appropriate feature.  ;D

That's why I like three independent features to support an unmarked cut attribution.  :angel:

Grateful thanks to both of you, and I hope someone comes up with marked examples of your respective posy vases to provide a certain attribution.

Bernard C.  8)

Moderators: please, eventually, can this particularly useful topic be archived for reference.   It's not often that we have such a clear example of the hazards of attribution.
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Re: Stuart cut glass plate and candle holder
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2010, 07:45:15 AM »
Thanks very much for that useful education in how not to jump to conclusions, Bernard!  ;D  :kissy:
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Re: Stuart cut glass plate and candle holder
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2010, 09:04:39 AM »
Leni — Thank you.   I'll cut out and frame your words (well, I would if the printer was working, there was some blank paper to hand, and I could find the scissors).

It would be even more useful as a reference about the hazards of attribution if your posy turned out to be Tudor and Anne's Webb Corbett, neither of which is outwith the bounds of possibility!  ;D

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Re: Stuart cut glass plate and candle holder
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2010, 03:27:32 PM »
Bernard, thank you, that's really useful to know. :kissy:

Now fingers crossed we can pin them down properly. :thup:

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Re: Stuart cut glass plate and candle holder
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2010, 12:41:24 AM »
Bernard,

A very good arguement for being circumspect about jumping to conclusions on attribution. As my old pa-in-law used to say, "I couldn't have put it better myself!"  :)

Nigel

PS. Thanks for the welcome back Leni - an extended trip down to Mum's account's for a goodly part of the time not calling in here, N

 

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