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Author Topic: Green millefiori dish for id  (Read 1401 times)

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Offline redlabman

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Green millefiori dish for id
« on: September 16, 2010, 10:26:25 PM »
Described as Whitefriars Emerald green millefiori bowl,4 3/4" square.I'm unsure due to the quality of the canes.
Whitefriars.com suggests Scots or Murano.
Any further help in identifying the dish/bowl would be appreciated

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Re: Green millefiori dish for id
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2010, 11:11:47 PM »
 :hi: Hi there, and Welcome.

I will let someone with more knowledge than me decide -- but Murano would be my first guess ( ??) may we see a pic of the bottom of the item.....and again Welcome to the Board.
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Re: Green millefiori dish for id
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2010, 08:02:00 AM »
This must be the one on ebay at the moment, I was wondering about it too! Doesn't look Whitefriars to me.

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Re: Green millefiori dish for id
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2010, 09:12:36 AM »
100% not Whitefriars . :no:

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Re: Green millefiori dish for id
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2010, 10:03:05 AM »
Hello,
thanks everyone for your thoughts on this bowl/dish.Yes it was the one on ebay recently.Now I've seen it up close I don't think the Whitefriars tag is correct.I've uploaded 2 more images one showing the base which is flat and one showing the interface of the green and clear glass.

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Re: Green millefiori dish for id
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2010, 04:17:48 PM »
I'm no cane archaeologist (unlike KevH) but I really do not think any Scottish glassmaker made these sorts of thing with that sort of colour around the caney bit.
KevH should be able to identify or discount Scottishness by the canes.
I'd discount it by the surround colour.
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Re: Green millefiori dish for id
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2010, 09:55:10 PM »
Shall we move it to paperweights so that KevH might see it?  :)
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Re: Green millefiori dish for id
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2010, 10:24:58 PM »
Kev'll probably pick it up here anyhow when he's on next. :)

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Re: Green millefiori dish for id
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 11:52:35 PM »
I did see this thread when it was first posted and I have waited for other folk to offer views before I made any comment. Truth is, I don't know for sure where those canes came from.

I think it is a bit unusual for an item to have canes included that are the same colour as the main glass. And that colour (watery dark teal???) is one that I do not recognise.

There is one cane (with the "teal" colour") at the top right in the initial image, that has a structure that seems to be quite similar to a Whitefriars (pre-Caithness type) structure cane. And it is also broadly similar to some canes used at Caithness Glass, and in some Edinburgh Crystal weights and also some items from John Deacons, in both his "JD" and earlier "StK" items. But on close inspection, it is not one of those.

The yellow and red colours are of shades that in my view should never be placed together in the same item. It reminds me of lots of mid-20th century Murano weights that have those ghastly (imo) yellows and oranges in them. The "cruciform" canes (again with that strange "teal" colour) are not what I am used to seeimg in Murano work - but that does not mean they are not Murano; I just don't recognise them. I suspect the canes are actually modern-ish Murano. But as we know, modern Murano canes have been sold around the world and plenty of makers have used them.

It may be worth moving over to Paperweights for further input.
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Re: Green millefiori dish for id
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2010, 10:58:20 PM »
This thread has been moved into the Paperweight forum in the hope that some of you here may recognise the canes in the bowl or perhaps be able to add reliable comments about what they are not.

Please disregard any implications from earlier contributors that I, in some way, would be able to identify the canes. It seems that my own decision at a conference some years ago to refer to myself as a "cane archeolgist" rather than as an expert of some form, has remained in some folks' minds :spls:

My own comments about the bowl and its canes have been added above.
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