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Re: ID concerning glass Jug engraved E R 1560 - silver mounted Crown ?!
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2010, 03:21:39 PM »
oki doki  :nix:
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Re: ID concerning glass Jug engraved E R 1560 - silver mounted Crown ?!
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2010, 03:48:58 PM »
I have a glass engraved with a crown that has C engraved one side of the crown and R the other side and the date 1646 underneath fortunately it has a redg mark Rd 84495
i looked this up and it was WP&G Philips London glassmaker october 1887 the engraving has a slight similarity to the one Thomas has bought . The glass has three horizontal ribs and a small foot and is an insipid yellowy green colour i did see a set a couple of years ago that had a jug they were clear glass . My glass is 10cms high x  8 cms width of rim x 5.5 cms width of foot .


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Re: ID concerning glass Jug engraved E R 1560 - silver mounted Crown ?!
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2010, 03:59:57 PM »
i see- nearly the same age as mine - thx for that !
the height of the jug is 8 inches !
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Re: ID concerning glass Jug engraved E R 1560 - silver mounted Crown ?!
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2010, 01:57:06 AM »
I was looking at the V & A collection for two reasons, firstly to see whether there was any possibility that the actual glass was Elizabethan and secondly, to see whether, if it was a copy, they had got the look right.

Going on the look of the glass and in the light of John's comments it would seem that the glass was in all likelihood made at around the same time that the hallmark date shows.  A Tudor revival in taste. This would tie in with the social phenomenon of successful self made businessman of the period acquiring status and social respectability by building themselves magnificent mansions and then trying to re-invent their humble family backgrounds and roots by buying in decorative items like old ancestral portraits and shelves full of old leather bound books to give the illusion that their wealth had in fact been handed down to them.

However, I would like to know the answer to the following from somebody:-

When glass and hallmarked silver are combined are the two items always of similar age or was a silver rim, for example, maybe rarely but sometimes added to a much older piece of glass, possibly as a response to changing fashions or style or otherwise to cover up a damaged edge, offer protection or change proportion. 

For example, the Islamic rock crystal vase sold at auction for the astronomic amount of money had had work done at a French jewellers - not sure why or what but the point is does anyone know of examples of objects where hallmarked silver has been combined with glass from a very different time period?








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Re: ID concerning glass Jug engraved E R 1560 - silver mounted Crown ?!
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2010, 06:36:12 PM »
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back from greece and happy to be here again ..!

this jug is still a riddle to me - but i think the silver mounting and the jug started life together :-)

greetings to all from thomas
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Re: ID concerning glass Jug engraved E R 1560 - silver mounted Crown ?!
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2010, 06:57:54 PM »
Hop you had a good time Thomas!

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Re: ID concerning glass Jug engraved E R 1560 - silver mounted Crown ?!
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2010, 08:20:17 PM »
great time - really enjoyed the sun but missed the glass forum as well  :fr:
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