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Offline taylog1

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« on: December 20, 2005, 05:17:40 PM »
I wonder if anyone can help me identify this bowl ?



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The vase is quite thick walled. It's 4" tall and 4 1/2" wide.

I've only ever seen two (both Ebay - this and one a year later). Neither were signed. There is a small piece of white frit (?) in the glass, but not enough in my opinion to make it a second. Very similar to some pieces of Orrefors, and also Skruf.

Thoughts anyone - and why someone would make something so beautiful and not sign it !

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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2005, 09:56:00 PM »
I find the piece quite fascinating and didn't know this would be classed as Ariel.

Orrefors quality control was extremely fussy. Frit in the glass would be enough I think to mark it as a second.  

Bill Geary in previous postings mentioned that Kosta seconds would not be signed - I would guess the same goes for Orrefors. I don't know about Skruf but the same rule wouldn't surprise me.

I hope this helps
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2005, 06:23:32 PM »
This is ariel glass. The artist has cut a set design on the blank before the
overlay.
The thick top leads me to Strombergshyttan but cannot id the design.
Orrefors historically did not sign the seconds sold in the company store.
It was my understanding the seconds were only sold at the company store at Orrefors and had a green label. They started a new colored label for seconds in 2000 which I must check out.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2005, 04:15:21 PM »
Thanks for the help. The top isn't cut flat (if that helps), looks to have been pressed flat when still soft.

I've attached a picture of the base, the pontil is concave, but there isn't any flat bit, ie just an edge if that makes sense.



I've got some bits of ariel - both Orrefors and Afors, and some Skruf thalatta, my first thought was that it felt closer to Skruf (you can feel the shape of the bubbles on the inside in a couple of places), but I can see some resemblance to Afors also (but not as thick).

However the closest piece visually I've seen to it is the Vattenlek Orrefors bowl on page 70 of Bill's book (Scandinavian Glass - creative energies).  


What I do find most puzzling though is that I've never seen a signed one in 5 years of scouring the Internet and Ebay - two seconds but no signed pieces feels a bit unlikely to me - but happy to be proved wrong.

Happy Christmas

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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2006, 01:49:16 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2006, 02:19:39 PM »
The ariel work at Pukeberg is done by a young glass blower artist
Micke Johannson. He was a young master at Orrefors and left them to
go to Pukeberg Glass Works where he now works with Wilke Adolpsson
who recently retired from his own studio.
This is contemporary glass - 2004 2005. Micke and I went to Orrefors Glass School in 1989 -1990. At 13, he could make the glass dance and today is quite accomplished for a young man.

I still think the work is from the old Strömbergshyttan glass works.

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Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2008, 03:13:22 PM »
Hi Gareth, your images have been munched - can you restore them back into this topic please? :)
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2009, 08:21:19 AM »
Anne,

Have uploaded 2 pics so they shouldn't disappear in the future.


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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2009, 10:15:12 PM »
That's super, thanks Gareth. :)
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Re: unsigned Ariel bowl
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2009, 07:06:40 PM »
Hi,

I'm with Bill G on this.... attached is a pic of one of my Stromberg vases, model no: B1174 ~ I think, its very hard to read.

My vase shows very similar circular Ariel inclusions as the unsigned bowl, so could be from the same range?

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