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Offline insaneprofessor

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old cut glass / crystal bowls - any IDing info?
« on: December 21, 2005, 11:28:52 AM »
Me again
exuse all these posts, I'm just excited to have discovered the boards
I have 7 of these bowls

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/nicetings002.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/nicetings004.jpg)

they are definitely cut glass or crystal.

I used to have 8 but my beloved sister put one in the dishwasher and, apart from removing all the gilt, it turned the bowl into a milky colour that I can't remove.  :roll:

I'm know nothing about them and any information that anyone can give would be, as always, very much appreciated.  

Thanks and Season's Greetings
Louise :)


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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2005, 07:30:07 PM »
Hello Insaneprofessor
Nice items.
This is not my area of expertise (if I have one !) but I will comment as far as I can, as the experts are busy right now.

The glass may or may not be full lead crystal. The "ping" test will help ! Try to describe the sound. I would imagine that such fine work would be done on at least fairly good quality glass.

This is not what I normally think of when I think of "cut" glass. There seems to be both cutting and engraving on this piece but the cutting is so fine that maybe it's done with a copper wheel or some other technique.
Hopefully Ivo, Bernard, Terry, Adam A or Frank will know.

As to maker, that may be difficult as the design is so classical and I imagine done by a number of different makers.

Peter
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2005, 07:58:36 PM »
Have added my location  8)

if I balance them on my fingers and gently bring them together they do make a lovely bell like chiming sound that continues for perhaps 1- 2 seconds after the initial impact, not for as long as a singing bowl but you get the idea.

These things are so subjective though, perhaps there are even more bell like chimes to be got from even more crystaly bowls?


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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2005, 08:20:38 PM »
Had a quick flip through Replacements and a possible match to the bottom teardrops was found for Fostoria, Thomas, Stuart and Royal Doulton. Stuart signatures can be very faint and hard to see.

Engraving could be mechanical, on a lathe, but I doubt it is etched.

If they are small bowls a shorter ring is normal, how big are they? A close up of the side might help.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2005, 09:22:27 PM »
thanks Frank

 8)


I'm not sure if this helps


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/glassstuff023.jpg)

I can probably get a very close up pic, just give me a few moments, I'll measure one too

back in a sec :)


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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2005, 09:37:00 PM »
close ups here :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/crystalbase003.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/loulou777/crystalside.jpg)

the bowls measure 4 3/8" across the top

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2005, 09:51:09 PM »
Is all the engraving gilt?
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2005, 10:00:18 PM »
Quote from: "Frank"
Is all the engraving gilt?


some of the bowls have more gilt than others, in some the gilt has faded more then others.  


the one shown here is about in the middle.

I don't think there's any gilt in the circular shapes around the base, although whether they have always been like this or whether they were originally gilt and it has since worn away I don't know.

edited to add

I bought these in a charity shop ages ago and for some years used them to serve trifle in

they look lovely with a nice sherry trifle in them

 8)

after the fiasco with my sister and the dishwasher I put them in a box in a cupboard and forgot about them for about 8 years.

I want to sell them now as I'm too lazy to use bowls that I can't put in a dishwasher LOL

also I want a film camera so bad it hurts  :D

I'd be very pleased if they turned out to be valuable *crossses fingers*


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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2005, 10:33:42 PM »
look a lot like German Rosenthal finger bowls
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2005, 10:41:46 PM »
I cannot help with maker, but it appears to me to be wheel cut. The design was cut using a cutting wheel and the cut areas left matt. Gilt was then applied to those ares. This type is usually on the thin side, but of good quality glass. Unfortunately when found today most of the gilt has disappeared. Here is a piece on ebay that helps illustrate a very good one with lots of gilt.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7376629551&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
Most of the ones I see are of this type, more Victorian in appearance. Yours seems later, Terry

 

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