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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2010, 02:13:18 PM »
I'm learning so much about horse anatomy. I looked up fetters and saw that they were the leg irons used on prisoners. Those would certainly trip a horse up.

I just thought about how I've not seen withers on any of the Murano horses. I think we need to lodge a complaint. I'll have to search to see if I can find any with withers.
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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2010, 09:11:25 AM »
Have you considered Barbini as the maker?  Some things remind me of some of his pieces, hooves etc.


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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2010, 04:00:06 PM »
I considered Barbini. My feelings are that the horse is from the late 1930s, when Barbini was working with VAMSA. If the horse had some sfumato, I would think maybe.  :) I think the amber is a key, but I don't know what it is a key to. The neck and chest look like a Martinuzzi design, but Martinuzzi wasn't known for simple sommerso of his animals. The horse is superficially like Poli's famous bullicante brown horse, so maybe it is a simpler horse based on that design (or was the precursor to the design). Cappellin? BSF? So many possibilities.
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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2010, 09:53:56 AM »
   

Might this Horse be of any interest in this Discussion...as I just found it.  I am not a member there to log in for price, but I thought I would pass this one anyways....and maybe someone else is a member there to log in for more info....and a Barovier Horse, so it states...

http://antique-prices-appraisal.values4antiques.com/Vetreria-Artistica-Barovier--C---50e75

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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2010, 01:08:45 PM »
That is a beautiful horse. Here is a link to let you know what it sold for: http://www.antiquehelper.com/item/314304. I would love to have one of the Barovier pasta horses like the one on Antique Helper. I don't know how they made such simple pieces so appealing. I wonder if they made these animals to make people feel happier during the Great Depression. I can't help buy smile when I see many of them.

About my horse -- I've seen a couple of pictures of the Poli-Archimede Seguso famous bullicante horse. The sample that is in Murano Magic has transparent hooves that are shaped like my horse's pasta hooves. The fetlocks are also shaped the same. I have the feeling that my horse is in the lineage of that horse -- maybe Barovier-Seguso-Ferro or Seguso VdA.

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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2010, 03:44:37 AM »
I found the horse at http://issuu.com/lamodern/docs/june2007_forweb (Page 63, Lot 126). It was made by Archimede Seguso, apparently around 1937. Their estimate ($300-500) for a horse this age and size seems very low to me, even though the one in the auction doesn't have the nice pasta details. I'll have to see if I can find out what the bid was for it. And maybe now that I have a maker, I should be able to get more information. I hope I didn't pay way too much for it. But live and learn.  :-X Archimede was with BSF during this time, but there are some pieces he executed for Seguso VdA. I wonder if this design was for BSF or VdA. If what is written in the auction description is correct, this horse preceded the Poli-Seguso design.
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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2010, 04:01:23 AM »
I just found the results for the auction at http://lamodern.com/June2007_LAMA.pdf. The horse in the Los Angeles auction sold for $1320. Whew! I feel much better about paying so much for the horse. It is the same as mine, but has the Poli-style bullicante and transparent hooves and mane. I like my horse better.

One thing I wonder is about the Poli-Seguso horse. Credit for the horse is given to Archimede in Murano Magic. Marina Barovier gives designer credit to Poli in Animals in Glass: A Murano Bestiary. She comments the horse was executed by Archimede. So I am a bit puzzled. Could Archimede be the designer and executor of the famed bullicante horse? I wish they were still alive so we could inquire personally.

I feel confident enough to put this in the zoo. If it looks and quacks like A. Seguso... well, you get the idea. Majorly cool. 8)
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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2010, 05:23:17 AM »
When I was about to fall off to sleep, I suddenly realized that BSF was the precursor to VdA. BSF was reorganized as VdA in 1937, so the horse was made around the cusp of the reorganization. There's no confusion after all.
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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2010, 07:14:34 AM »
Hi there -- plus that Art catalog was dated June 2007....so one could say that price there is outdated.  I think (IMHO) you are  :thup: all the way to the Bank.  Way too nice of Horse to lose any value (IMHO)... Will only Increase.  Good early piece.

...and think of it, not that far from being a 100 years old - and a True piece of Antique Glass

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P.S.  (IMHO)  To me items 99 years or less is a Vintage item.....While 100+ years or older is a True Antique

 
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Re: Old Murano Draft Horse
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2010, 03:15:08 PM »
I don't know if they increase in value, antiquerose. Something I didn't consider until this morning is that my horse is a good bit larger than the one in the California auction. Mine is 10.5" long. It can be so difficult to find information for these rare pieces. I understand why people pay appraisers.
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