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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2010, 10:38:38 PM »
<looks around> No base Paul <checks behind sofa> nope no base here <searches under desk> nothing, nada, zilch!  :-[



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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2010, 08:10:42 PM »
sorry for confusion :-[ - and to put matters right........pics. now attached. :)    No pre war style of outer ground flat foot, as you can see, so it does seem to tick all the right boxes for being around 1950.   When I get the time I will make a point of looking for the origin of this Reg. No.


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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2010, 08:43:37 PM »
It's not going to have a ground rim because it's made in a mould that doesn't have a foot rim of any sort. My point about ground and non-ground is only a pointer to be used with other clues.

Are you sure it's wear on the corners? Could it be grinding? The design certainly looks much older than 1950s.


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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2010, 09:36:20 PM »
I feel confident in saying that the corners are showing wear from use - rather than any form of grinding at the time of manufacture.   I have also just realized that this bowl gives an unusually long 'ding' - longer than might be thought from a run of the mill pressed item.   I will try in the coming days to run down an attribution for the Reg. No., and then perhaps we may continue this discussion.  My thanks for your help, as always. :)


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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2010, 10:54:56 AM »
...   Do we have any examples of overseas registrations?

Anne - Yes, in the early '30s, on a final version rest-of-the-world (excluding US and possibly Canada) Lillicrap's Hone.  In addition my first reaction to the central stop was that it is perfectly natural for a continental European mouldmaker to separate off his thousands that way - it makes the number easier to read.

Central area:
LILLICRAP'S HONE
MADE IN ENGLAND
PATENT NO. 346007
RGD. NO. 756950
FRANCE BREVET NO. 708000
D.R.G.M. 1148563
PATENTED THROUGHOUT
THE WORLD

Top rim:
AUSTRALIA PAT. No. 864/31

Bottom rim:
NEW ZEALAND PAT. No. 66000

Left rim (reading upwards):
S AFRICA PAT. No 140/31

Right rim (reading upwards):
INDIA PAT. No. 17558

Notes.   I am fairly certain of my transcript and its accuracy, but would welcome any corrections or variants.   I'm certain of my "NO"s and "No"s, save for the first which is rather borderline.   All the stops that appear are full stops at the base.

The France and New Zealand numbers look like classes/categories, rather than actual allocated numbers.   Later versions might exist with these changed to allocated numbers.

Please let me know of any variation at all, including differences in the full stop distribution.

Bernard C.  8)
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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2010, 12:25:31 PM »
just to say that I will pop into the National Archives at Kew on Saturday morning.   I have run down which 'box file' I need to see (apparently you have to allow 40 minutes for them to find it) - and fingers crossed will come away with the answer.   Will let you know how I get on. :)    Just hope that it's British after all this. :)


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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2010, 05:45:55 PM »
uhmmmm.....not entirely successful I regret to say, but conclusive in the main.   Nightmare of a journey, and registration not for the feint hearted - however, acquired the readers ticket, and ordered up the box file showing the 'Representations' covering the Registration No. in question.      And there indeed are photographs of the correct bowl  -  not a glass bowl, but a metal example, used presumably for the patent record and to acquire the Reg. No.       But this is where it went wrong for me.     In the 'Representations' boxes there are pictures only, no data (I hadn't realized this)  -  and these files showed photos/drawings/blueprints only, and as this time period has consecutive Nos. for a variety of materials, I found myself looking at pics. of shopping bags, fire guards, a sorbo rubber (wired) toy monkey, cardboard boxes, and new designs for an eight armed bungie cord thingy.      I can say that the Reg. No. shown on my page is in a format without a 'dot' in the middle  -  and I can confirm that it is British and was registered first in 1950.           Unfortunately, the wait time for each box file about 45 minutes, and my wife by this time was utterly fed up with waiting around, so I had to abandon calling up the 'Registrations Data' box for this period, and so came away without completing the quest i.e. the name of the commercial owner of this particular Registration No.    I guess this is where is pays to be single, or have a like minded partner >:D
Anyway, probably won't get back for a week or two, but will nail it in the end  -  and appreciate the very generous help from the staff at the National Archives. :sun:


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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2010, 12:13:28 AM »
Paul — My congratulations.   Well done.  :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp:

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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2010, 04:42:07 PM »
revisited Kew today - requested three boxes of data (which if you have a Reader's Ticket you can do from home prior to arrival) - these are then available on arrival, and saves a 45 minute wait.
Anyway, now have sufficient information to finish the id for this bowl.
There is definitely no gap with 'dot' in the text in the Registrations Data files - so guess we may never know why the bowl was made with one, and the following is the exact wording on the page for this Registered No.
""Date of Application            18/10/50
Date of Registration             18/10/50
Certificate of Registration Issued         16/8/51
Item is registered as a Salad Bowl.
Name and address of Proprietor:
Henry Dresel Ltd.,
332 Cricklewood Lane,
London  NW2
and it appears to be saying   Copyright Expired 18/10/55""

I have tried searching for Henry Dresel Ltd., but no luck...........anyone else aware of this name, although doubtless not the maker and probably just an wholesaler or  distributor.  Perhaps imported from the Continent even.   Anyway, matter resolved for the time being, and now must move on to something else.      So I don't get to have the triflle after all - just a boring salad. ;)                                       
     






     


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Re: unusual style of Reg. No.
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2010, 07:00:51 PM »
Henry Dresel Ltd was a wholesale glass importer which liquidated in the early 1970s (source - London Gazette)

 

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