Topic: Different peacock eye trail issue--can anyone ID an iridized mushroom bowl?

[albglass]

I have a "mushroom" bowl with the peacock eye trail decoration, but it has a light iridescence over the surface.  I have read previous threads about the peacock eye trail decor, but none have mentioned iridescence.  It is the same shape with the clear blank as the Harrach piece shown in Truitt's book on Bohemian glass, but the decor is different--it has central green eyes, with yellow trails around the eyes descending in a spiral to a central polished pontil.  It doesn't look like the Harrach piece was iridized, nor was it mentioned, but it's hard to tell from a picture.  It is not thin glass, but has some heft to it.  Has anyone run across an iridized example of peacock eye trail and know whether it is Bohemian or English?  One website said that Bohemian examples are lighter and lack a pontil--it this is true, then this would automatically make it English, but I have not found any other reference that makes this assertion. Thanks for any insights you can provide!

[keith]

Stuart glass,near Stourbridge are the only British  firm I'm aware of that did this type of glass but have not seen any iridiscent varieties,very nice :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[chopin-liszt]

The iridesence looks to be that distinctive sort of crackled type - might that help to narrow the search a bit?
I really don't think it could possibly be Stuart.

[albglass]

Thanks for your replies!  The iridescence is quite smooth over the majority of the surface, but does have the very fine crackling on the rim where the rim had been turned down.  The crackling at the rim is not so great that you would even notice it without close inspection.  I think the camera accentuates it more than it really shows.

[keith]

Stevens and Williams and Thomas Webb had their own versions,don't know if any were iridised,info' from 20th Century British Glass by C.Hajdamach.

[flying free]

This is an important bowl to identify in my opinion.

If it does turn out to be a British piece, then it shows they were producing iridescent glass with applied coloured trails.  I haven't come across anything like this and I am trying to identify two other applied trailed pieces with an iridescent surface - one on the body only (applied trails not iridised), the other also has different coloured trails to the body (but body is coloured) but the vase is iridised all over.

  The trails on my two are not the same as this one -  but on one of mine they do match the shape of trails shown as being from Stevens and Williams.
The  trails on yours are difficult to see but appear very similar to the two coloured peacock eye trails on Richardson and Stuart pieces. 

I have been wracking my brains as to where I've seen this bowl before, and I believe (difficult to tell as from a photograph) that it appeared in Manley's Victorian Glass as number 284 ( the later version of Manley I think)

Albglass if you are still on the board, would it be possible to have a clear side on photograph of this bowl against white to show the colours and the trails please?  Thank you

Could someone check for me and see what Manley says about it please?
Thanks so much
m

[flying free]

I believe, looking at the picture shown to me, that this bowl is the same as a bowl featured in Manley and referenced in this reply (see link below).
I have seen the Manley description of this bowl in his book.  It is my view that, although he says it is an example of Thomas Webb dated 1900, from his written description it seems he recognised the bowl he was showing had differences.  He says '...with a more elaborate design of the Cairngoram-drops'.  This 'cairngoram' word was referenced in the post (that thread now locked) below.  Reading the whole description, it is possible to read it that everything else about the bowl was the same as one he had seen though.  I have not seen the Webb catalogues so cannot tell whether it is or is not.  But it is  a possible indicator that there is a Webb design out there like the OP's bowl.

I think it is important to note this because of the iridescence on the bowl.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1901.msg48443.html#msg48443
'The Webb’s trails, and designs, look very much like the pieces shown in Mervyn's book, as well as the examples posted on this message board. They do include a large tadpole-like blob that thins into a tail, which trails down the glass onto the base. They just don't have the internal 'eye' tool-work. My parents own a piece that has the same sort of trails, so I will post an image when possible.
As for the Webbs pattern books............ to look for the patterns I had to take video footage that my father had filmed and convert it to DVD. I suppose I could try to find out how to get stills from the DVD, but there are copyright issues and limitations to the use of such material. The footage I looked at is far from complete and I’m sure that there are more examples in the records. These may well include details such as the name Webb’s gave to such wares. This might include the origins of the infamous Manley reference to ‘Cairngoram Drops’. (my underlining)'

m

[albglass]

Yes, the iridescence on this bowl is what makes it unusual.  Hopefully I can get some better pictures (probably will take a few days) that will show the colors better, although photographing against a white background will wash out the iridescence.  I've seen the example in Manley's book which looks just like mine and also appears to be iridized, but Manley's description did not give me confidence that it was Webb--just because he thought it was similar to a Webb series is not definitive.  I should add that while I was at the Passau Museum, I studied the peacock eye trail examples made by Steigerwald, and none were iridized. 

[flying free]

Thank you so much for replying.
May I ask, can you help with the Steigerwald/Schliersee query at all?

I posted this picture on another thread  (see link) - these are said to be Schliersee vases from the Passau museum.
Did you see these vases please?  I am referring to the vases on the pic on the far left hand side.
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/78171-german-jugendstil-schliersee-steigerwa

Thanks for any clearer pictures you can add.  I hope they will help to try and untangle who did what with these vases as I have a few that I am hoping to id  at some point although the picture is a little murky at the moment. 

Thank you again for replying
m

[flying free]

Please also see this post where the bowl item no 243  in Manley is discussed.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,55750.msg316592.html#msg316592
Your bowl appears to match his Item no 284.
Item 243 design has been seen by another member of the board in a golden amber c.1930 acid signed Stuart.
I'm not sure now how his reference on your bowl (his item no 284) fits in, since it also refers to Thomas Webb and 'Cairngoram drops'.
Something which could be in question now.
If you have time to do any more photos they would be much appreciated.
Many thanks
m