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Offline BLUE HARVEST

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paperweight for identification
« on: January 21, 2011, 03:38:59 PM »
Possibly very early venetian? The base colour is a sea green.


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Re: paperweight for identification
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2011, 04:47:10 PM »
Hi there.  

Very Pretty item there.  I am not sure about it, but I think you may be right?  What is the size of it, as hard to tell -- as it looks smaller by the pics, and the size of your Fingers (in the Pic).   Sorry if that is a silly question, but I just can not tell the size.  May we have the size of it.

Love the aventurine in it !!  Thanks  :thup:
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Re: paperweight for identification
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2011, 04:58:41 PM »
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I'd agree with 19th C Venetian. Dating these precisely is not easy: the few 1840s ones tend to have a poor surface quality (ridges, pits) and canes very near the surface, and often a good variety of canes including silhouettes or pictures (and even dates or signatures).

The later 19th C ones tend to have more aventurine, no silhouettes or pictures, and an improved - though still poor - surface quality.  Pontil marks are rough throughout, the glass is usually rather dark, and the shapes are quite variable from cones to squat lumps to spheres: the later ones tend to be better shaped. Sizes vary too, with more smaller ones later, I think.  I keep saying 'tend' because there is a lot of variability in the ones I have seen.

If I had to give a view on date I would veer towards later 19th C.

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Offline cfosterk

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Re: paperweight for identification
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2011, 09:13:36 PM »
The large cog canes, thick latticinio, and orangy-gold aventurine suggests a later date - perhaps as late as the 1950's 


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Re: paperweight for identification
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2011, 10:49:38 PM »
Sorry  Rose

the diameter at widest point is 5.5cm


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Re: paperweight for identification
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2011, 11:48:56 PM »
 Thank you for your considered reply Alan,

I'm not really entirely sure it's a 19th century one. I've had a number of the Bigaglia weights, both good and bad and the canes, colour, weight and metal are different. The surface of the glass is different, too; almost waxy and the canes are set quite deep within the glass. Also, the blowing rod used appears to be of a different size to the ones found on 19th century examples.
The colour palette is also different to the 19th century ones. The base colour is a quite distinct sea green, full of tiny pinhead sized "starfield" bubbles you often find in pre 18th century venetian and facon de venise cristallo. The only reference I've found to a millefiori weight that has a similar base colour was one fished out of a Venetian lagoon and dated to the end of the 15th century ( in the "minature di vetro" book, page 13 illustration 31- I'll try and post a photo of the illustration in the next couple of days).

Have you, or any board members ever seen a pre 18th century venetian weight? or know of specific references to the same?

Once again many thanks, in advance for any replies.


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Re: paperweight for identification
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2011, 02:35:35 AM »
I am inclined to agree with Alan based on the millefiori style in the weight matching up to those found in the African Trade Beads of late 19th century.


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Re: paperweight for identification
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2011, 01:09:55 PM »
I vote with cfosterk: as late as the 1950's , because of the whole setting.
Surly the item is not classic Murano.
And it does not look like 1865 till 1890 Murano/Venice.


 

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