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Offline jlcarroll

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Please help identify this Thomas Webb pattern
« on: January 30, 2011, 02:08:16 PM »
I bought this pattern about a decade ago but I haven't been able to identify it.
The mark puts it between 1936 and 1949.
Square stem, 4 7/8" tall, 2 15/16" across the bowl, 2 3/8" across the base, bowl is 'squared'.
Thank you SO much for any help you can give.


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Re: Please help identify this Thomas Webb pattern
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 08:44:00 PM »
Why do you say Thomas Webb? Is it marked?  :ooh:

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Re: Please help identify this Thomas Webb pattern
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2011, 12:37:11 AM »
Hi Carolyn,
Thanks for replying.
Yes, there is an etching on the bottom and the site I read says that would mean it was made between 1936 and 1949.
I would appreciate any help you can give!
It looks like this:

Mod: image removed as a likely copyright violation. See the same mark here - scroll down to Thomas Webb - the mark in question is the 8th one listed.


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Re: Please help identify this Thomas Webb pattern
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2011, 04:59:34 AM »
Jackie — Welcome to the GMB.

It is worth explaining that one of the reasons for the GMB's success is that it has always been ultra careful about respecting intellectual property rights, sometimes erring on the side of caution and safety.   If in doubt provide a link, as above.

Re your Webb mark.   No. 6 in the series on the great-glass site is the Rembrandt Guild mark, which we now know was in use 1932–37 and possibly a year or two earlier as the 1932 date is from a Kelly's Directory entry (Benson & Hayhurst, Art Deco to Post Modernism, 2003, p.20).   As you can see the Rembrandt Guild mark was a development of the mark on your glass, so your mark must predate the Rembrandt Guild mark.   Also I have recently bought a Webb piece carrying the same mark as your glass which appears to have been made around 1927, taking the mark back a little further in time if I'm correct, and matching the introduction of such marks at Stuart, Tudor, Walsh, and E&L.

I hope that helps,

Bernard C.  8)
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Re: Please help identify this Thomas Webb pattern
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2011, 05:57:16 AM »
Hello Bernard,

First I would like to thank you for taking the time to explain the preference for providing a link instead of a photo.  I will be sure to be more careful in the future.

Thank you also for helping me to more accurately date my glass.  I did a little searching and I can see the reasons for the earlier dating that you mention.

I do not collect much glassware, but this particular set of glasses is the most beautiful I have ever seen.  Of course that's to my eye.
I don't know if I will be able to find a name for this pattern, but I enjoy them so much and I appreciate your help!

thanks again,
Jackie


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Re: Please help identify this Thomas Webb pattern
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2011, 01:51:58 AM »
Jackie — Don't expect a pattern name.   Many patterns were never named, and names in use today can be those subsequently invented by collectors, which I'm uneasy about.   An original Webb pattern number would be about the best outcome.



An interesting corollary of the above discussion is that you can work out what evidence was used for mid 1930s dates.

Dodsworth in BGbtW gives the small round Webb mark the dates c.1935–1949.   So he must have been using a George V Silver Jubilee souvenir as evidence (actual date 6 May 1935).   Had he started with 1936 it would have been an Edward VIII Coronation souvenir (actual dates publication of official details after 20 January 1936 to the abdication ratification by Parliament and abdication broadcast on 11 December 1936).   Had he started with 1937 it would have been a George VI Coronation souvenir (actual dates publication of official details early in 1937 to the Coronation on 12 May 1937).

Prior to 1935, the previous Royal event warranting souvenirs was the Coronation of George V on 22 June 1911.   So we have a quarter of a century with nothing much happening in Britain in respect of Royal souvenirs.   This gap makes life tricky for historians!

Bernard C.  8)
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