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Offline Tony H

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Hi Guys
I have just placed a photo of a carnival glass bowl in a new album Carnival Glass.

It is a nice Marigold in colour and is 3 inch by 5 inch in diameter at the widest part the top has been cupped in, not sure if this is called a rose bowl.

I have the feeling I have seen this pattern somewhere and maybe not in carnival but I cannot remember where.

Can anyone help with ID please.

Tony H in NZ

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2006, 10:07:11 AM »
Oh. Gosh. That's different. The shape is, indeed, what would be called a rose bowl. But I wonder if it might have had a lid? I don't recall having seen this specific item in Carnival Glass before. It reminds me of some United States Glass patterns...and that leads me on to another thought...

There's an unsual covered sugar that has been found in Australia and also in the Far East. I need to find my facts on it and get back to you later. I'll try and do some digging around later when I get a bit of time (fond hope).

The pattern also reminds me of Beaded Cable (which it isn't) and Chariot (which it isn't). Oh the joys of pattern ID.

Meanwhile, if anyone can ID this, I'd be thrilled and overjoyed.

Glen (hopeful)
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2006, 02:31:12 PM »
Tony H,

Have a look here,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7380827966 URL shortened by frank

I've never see this pattern done in Carnival before, but U. S. Glass\Tiffin  did make it.

Mike


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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2006, 06:32:45 PM »
Hi Guys
Thank you all for your help, I have looked in Mollie Helen McCain " Pattern Glass " book there are a lot of patterns with the name bulls eye but not this one.

I have had a good look at this piece and on the inside base in raised capital letters are the words MADE IN JAPAN I will try and photo this and post photo in my album.

The plot thickens.!!!!

Tony H in NZ


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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2006, 06:45:20 PM »
Yes, Tony. Yes, yes. That's what I was trying to remember in my earlier post above. If my memory serves me right, the other unusual sugar (I have a feeling the pattern was a United States Glass Co "lookalike" that was a kind of Bullseye and Fan pattern) also had Made in Japan on it. And I think another similar one had some numbers moulded. I'm hazy on the details. More soon............

There are also a number of Carnival items out of Malaysia that have been found in Australia and New Zealand.

Carnival Glass always keeps us on the hop!

Glen
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2006, 07:30:16 PM »
Wow!

Thanks for the heads-up on the Japanese repro-look-a-like.  I have seen many Chinese repro-look-a-likes in the last couple of years and now the Japanese are doing it too huh? :-(

Mike

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2006, 03:14:47 PM »
I have tracked down the information I was looking for regarding the Far Eastern sugar that your item reminded me of, Tony. Like yours, it has the words "Made in Japan" - but it also has "Design Patent Number 25949" - all this is moulded on the inside of the base.

It was well over ten years ago that this item was reported - might even be fifteen or so. It was found in Australia, and I know of another that turned up in India maybe six years ago.

It's particularly interesting that both these items (your Bullseye bowl and the one I am referring to here which has a Bullseye and Fan design) are both in the style of United States Glass patterns.

While I was trying to track this piece of info down, I came across more things that I have filed away. I feel a web-page article coming on.......  :lol:

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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2006, 04:49:25 PM »
Tony - may I have your permission to use your photo of the bowl in an educational article (web page)?

Glen
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2006, 07:18:31 PM »
Hi Glen
You may use the photo for you article, I will take some more and place them in my photo album.

This leads to lots of questions.
What firm in Japan made pressed glass?

Could this have been made from an original mould, if so how was it obtained?

Was a new mould made, would the expence have been viable as so few have been reported?

Tony H in NZ

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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2006, 07:59:07 PM »
This site may be of some interest.
http://www.toyo.sasaki.co.jp/e/company/history.htm
They imported a pressing machine from the USA in 1928.
I came across this site after Svazzo identified an ashtray that I have.
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