Topic: V. Nason vase with label.

[Della]

Adam,
Please do not feel like you have to apologise, it really isn't necessary.
If we all had the answers, this board would not be what it is.
I am now more curious than ever after having read your latest post.
I see in another thread that you have emailed a friend and Nason & Moretti for information. I can't wait to find out what their replies will be.

[David E]

Adam, with regard to labels I would think the paper ones preceded the plastic ones. As for when the 'Avventurina' labels came into being, I cannot say for certain but the ones on my vases all look very fresh. As mentioned the wear on the bases is also minimal.

I also tend to think the circular ones are the latest (last?) variety. The reason for saying this is because they are the only ones where the 'N' logo is missing.

I have so far found three paper label types:
White text on black
Dull gold text on black
Bright gold text on light gold

Then there are two plastic ones (white text on clear):
Rectangular with rounded corners
Round with text around the periphery and no logo

While I know what you mean when you say "V Nason started trading in 1967", that does sound more like the company name, rather than the person! Might be better to distinguish between the two by calling him Vicenzo.

I'll see if I can find this mention about V.Nason closing down.

[David555]

Hi

I got an email back from Nason & Moretti 18h Jan 2006.

Thay (They) are closed!!!!

From: "Nason & Moretti S.r.l."
18/01/2006 07:03:18 GMT Standard Time

There are three to many exclamation marks to my thinking LOL. Do you think that is irritation or glee.

So we won't be getting much information out of V Nason & C unless any records or catalogues have been stored away.

David you are right, as said in the quote 'Vincenzo Nason left Venini in 1967 to set up on his own' rather than V Nason set up in 1967, as you suggest I was taking a shortcut.



Adam P

[David E]

Oh, I think the font used for the Avventurina label is Microgramma Bold Extended and came out around 1970!

Before the pedants come swooping down like vultures, the font was designed in 1952 by Alessandro Butti with Aldo Novarese, so I was wrong in assuming the 1970s. Surprising as it looks much later...

http://www.linotype.com/7-672-7/abutti.html

Thanks for confirming the details of V.Nason, although I read something only yesterday about rival makers claiming companies had closed down to elicit business from the unwary! However, I think this is correct unfortunately.

[Della]

I am still searching for more info and just came accross this:

http://glass-in-venice.atspace.com/newentries/30-10-04/

Scroll down a little, look at the date quoted here :?:  :?:  :?:

[David E]

Well spotted, Della!

I've sent the Rossella Junck Gallery an email asking for clarification, and have forwarded this link.

[Frank]

Adam can you edit out the email address please.

[David555]

This must be one of the greatest misconceptions online and in books David -

That V Nason & C (especially Avventurina) is 1930s, 1950s - It's not just Ivo's book that states clearly Vincenzo Nason left Venini in 1967, many reliable Italian websites state the same, that is in fact where I lifted the quote in my other post.

You further point out in several posts that for many years they didn't even trade under the name V Nason.

It is a bit frustrating and I feel for so many buyers thinking they are getting something much older than it is  :cry:  :?  :cry:

Adam P

[David E]

I have since received a reply from Aldo of the Rossella Junck Gallery, who I believe has also joined this forum.

His belief is that the item was purchased in Florence, c.1970 but there also was a Vincenzo Nason, glass maker, who died in 1948.

Apparently the 1kg weight (as pictured on their site - so that's what it is!) were "used" [made?] in Italy before 1960, but not since. He also believes this effect of 'black and aventurina' is typical of the 1930s.

He is checking further, so I hope he does get back.

[Della]

Hi David,
I hope he gets back too.
I noticed that the weight has the same label applied to it as my vase has.
These weights may have been "used" (made?) before 1960, but that does not alter the fact that it has a 1970's label attached to it.