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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2006, 08:18:09 PM »
Tiger it is a question of difficult web design - what to put where to be able to cross-read  :roll:  :roll:  :?

but if you have got an idea of provenance like UK in this case - just look in that section - it is not so overcrowded and shows all shapes  :)

again thank you Bernard
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2006, 09:35:55 PM »
I've checked the catalogue and it isn't there. I only have volume 2 so perhaps it is in volume 1.  :?

Oh, by the way Glen, if you don't mind me asking, I have a Sowerby bowl with long chips on the base rim. Are these just chips that happened while it was being cut or are they genuine chips? They appear on the inner side of the base rim only.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/Picture%20635.jpg

Pamela, it is an excellent web design. I shall check the next time and the UK section too (Slaps paws).  :)


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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2006, 09:51:02 PM »
Tiger, it is in Volume 2
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1940  :arrow: illustrated list  :arrow: page 2

it was difficult to trace for me too  :P

cross-reading necessary also Glen's wonderful CD  :D
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2006, 10:03:16 PM »
Oh, oh, oh, I've found it and it has no sticky out bit's, so that's why I missed it.  :oops:

I do apoligise, slaps both paws.  :oops:

Thanks Pamela.  :D


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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2006, 10:24:14 PM »
Don't worry Glen, I can't see them either.  :lol:

I was thinking that they might be something like that because it would be difficult to chip the base rim on the inside only. I was just checking though.

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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2006, 07:37:45 AM »
Sure looks like grinding chips, Tigerchips  :shock:  

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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2006, 08:39:32 AM »
Tigerchips - thanks for your observation and perfect description of the variation in the design. I like the phrase "sticky out bits"!

Bernard, do you have a Sowerby catalogue illustration of the vase or bowl with the "sticky out bits"? You'll know that the catalogue illustration in Cottle, which is like the one on our Sowerby CD, shows the 2616 without any "sticky out bits".

Has anyone got one of the vases without the "sticky out bits"?

Should one of them be called a 2616 Variant?

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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2006, 09:40:34 AM »
At Tiger's suggestion, I am adding my 2 penn'orth - and a pic of my square version of the bowl!  Is this a standard variation, or a different reference number?  http://tinypic.com/m7556q.jpg  http://tinypic.com/m755dc.jpg
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2006, 11:04:34 AM »
Glen — I had completely forgotten the 2616 asymmetrical sticky-out bits, or ASOBs.   I have had 2616 vases both with the ASOBs and without, but I have never seen a 2616 bowl without its ASOBs.    I don't think we have yet established whether the ASOBs were an add-on or a take-away, and I don't believe the illustration in the Sowerby trade catalogues helps, as Sowerby probably did not bother to change the illustration.

I believe that they were cut into the mould for the vase after an initial period of production of ASOB-less versions, and the bowl was a later production, always with ASOBs, but I could be wrong.   I have also often wondered whether the Jobling 2-handled Rose Pattern Vase, No. 11200, Rd July 21, 1934, provided the inspiration.

Leni — Yours is neither a standard variation, nor a different reference number.    Sowerby reference numbers are supremely logical.   They started with 1 back in 18??, and added one for every new design they produced, right until they closed.    Had you asked me last week if they had produced a square version I would have said it was unlikely.    The moulding is too thick and it would be extremely difficult to line up the former used accurately with the ASOBs.    I would describe yours as an unusual and unexpected variant.

Tigerchips — 11cm?   If that is 4¼", then the plinth with that fitting would be Sowerby pattern number 2562.

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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2006, 11:15:07 PM »
Thank's Bernard.  :D

The pictures are little but you can see the shape.

Click  :arrow: (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/thumb_Picture%20626.jpg)

Click  :arrow: (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10011/thumb_Picture%20627.jpg)

Just a minute, I'll change my screen resolution just to see what it look's like. It look's like a split pea at the moment.  :D

 

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