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Offline Roger H

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ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
« on: April 05, 2011, 01:25:11 PM »
      Murano I believe??? Has a polished base. Diameter 2.4 inches. Regards Roger.

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Re: ID ???????
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2011, 03:03:20 PM »
Not Murano, Scottish judging from the canes. Looks like a variation of a Caithness "Noughts and Crosses" altho I have never seen one like this.

Other will know more.
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Re: ID ???????
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2011, 08:19:35 PM »
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I agree - looks like a version of 'Noughts and Crosses'.

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2011, 08:40:20 PM »
      Well when I bought it I thought perhaps it reminded me of the noughts and crosses as you suggest although I had only a top view. The cross cane looked too good for murano or chinese, more like the perthshire development of it but take a look at the base and it is a low profile at 1.2 inches.

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Re: ID ???????
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 08:41:58 PM »
Is the cross in the LH cane a Maltese cross?  If so, was this used in Scottish weights?  I know very little (ie, nothing!) about paperweights, but am intending to learn.....
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2011, 09:03:37 PM »
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I think the truth is that the shapes in canes can get very distorted as the hot glass is manipulated in manufacture (I wrote a detailed article on this in a PCA bulletin a few years ago, called 'Alphabet Soup' ).  So it is easy to see something that is not meant to be there, or is a variation on what was meant to be there! That said, I think that Vasart / Strathearn and others made a variety of cross shapes that were intended to be what one might call Maltese crosses - and this cane is consistent with those.

Regarding bases, most Murano have flat polished bases, without doubt. But so do some of Scottish weights - for example, Ysart Harland era weights, Caithness weights, some Strathearn weights such as the 'scattered on muslin' and their clear glass spoke designs with dates in them.....all too confusing!

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2011, 09:32:46 PM »
 Just had a look at a very similar weight put on this site for ID ,July 5th 2009. Seems it is Caithness, therefore the CUG underneath is really a CIIG denoting a second, possibly because it is difficult to see the lines. Maltese cross, I believe so. I didn't realise Caithness made such a low profile weight . Thanks for all the comments. Roger.

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2011, 09:51:31 PM »
I did see the CIIG mark,  but assumed you had seen it and knew what that meant......I wonder why they would have a Maltese Cross though, rather than a St. Andrews cross??
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2011, 10:50:15 PM »
        When I purchased the weight the description was CUG inscribed on the base, the only view I had was a top view but I only paid a small price for it so I bought it out of interest really.
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Re: ID ??????? ID = Caithness "Noughts & Crosses" (CIIG)
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2011, 11:48:30 AM »
The Saltire is rectangular - it doesn't fit into a round or square shape too well.  :ooh:
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