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Re: Vizner, Gabrhel, Koudelka, Kralik, Walther et al. ...
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 03:16:52 PM »
Hi.  Was Sie hier:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Interessante-Kugelvase-Merletto-Netz-/190525442094?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item2c5c33882e

haben ist (vermutlich) ein ziemlich seltene Harrtil Stueck von Harrachov.  Solche Teile haben eine hohe Nachfrage und verlangen immer ziemlich viel Geld - also niche verschenken.





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Re: Vizner, Gabrhel, Koudelka, Kralik, Walther et al. ...
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2011, 04:24:23 AM »
Hi Paul
Thanks for your thought, but I´m rather convinced it´s not a Harttil Merletto. The top rim only has
a matte polishing and the quality in general´s not quite right for a Harrachov piece.  :)
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Re: Vizner, Gabrhel, Koudelka, Kralik, Walther et al. ...
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 06:08:22 AM »
Dirk:

I was going to suggest the same thing. The key is if the netting is three strands by three strands, which I think it is. A couple of my Harrtil pieces have rough rims. Whether they were made by another factory using the Harrtil netting, or whether the  piece was broken and then repaired not very well, I don't know. But I'd bet your piece would qualify as Harrtil.

Here's a piece of Harrtil that's well below the quality of some of the other pieces. It seems to apply so some of the clear pieces more.

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Re: Vizner, Gabrhel, Koudelka, Kralik, Walther et al. ...
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 07:57:44 PM »
Thanks, David! I´ve taken a few close-ups, which show the mesh, the top rim and base.
Personally I still think it´s something different. The top rim, though with a matte finish, seems
original. It´s very even, you can just spot or feel the end of the ball-shaped mould and it´s
got a fine and small bevel to the inside rim...  :huh:
To me it feels like factory production, although I must admit I simply don´t know enough
about the technique to understand wether that is possible or not.
I´m beginning to feel, this might have become an interesting thread in the glass section.
Would it seem improper to ask, if one of our dear moderators could split the discussion part
and open a new thread? It seems not only the future owner might find it entertaining...  :)

edit: I´ve also added a picture of the whole piece...
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Re: Vizner, Gabrhel, Koudelka, Kralik, Walther et al. ...
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 09:07:34 PM »
Dirk:

I agree with you that it's not very well done, both the glass itself and the netting. I still think it's Harrtil netting, though. On some pieces the strands of the netting get clumped or stretched together so that three strands seem like one. At the bottom of the piece I showed, the three by three strand is clear but the strands are so stretched at the top that it's so hard to see any pattern. There was some talk at some time of Harrtil netting being used by other factories. I've got a faceted cut one where the vase looks very much like an Exbor vase, for example.

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Re: Vizner, Gabrhel, Koudelka, Kralik, Walther et al. ...
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2011, 04:52:07 AM »
Thanks again, David. Got an unexpected call and will be away on a construction job until tomorrow night.
Hope we´ll have WLAN in our hotel...  :X:  ;D
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Re: Vizner, Gabrhel, Koudelka, Kralik, Walther et al. ...
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2011, 10:52:01 AM »
In truth, it is likely that there was only one manufacturer of such fibre glass netting (3 x 3), at least in Czechoslovakia. Its original use wouldn't have been in vases. You can get a fair number of vases out of enough fabric to make a pair of curtains, not that it would have been used for curtains.


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Re: Vizner, Gabrhel, Koudelka, Kralik, Walther et al. ...
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2011, 05:57:24 PM »
Christine:  I thought that it was designed specifically for use in glass as it didn't melt in glass. I seem to remember somebody writing that asbestos was used in its manufacture. I agree that there was only one manufacturer of the material.

Using it for curtains?  Why hadn't I thought of that? What better way of proclaiming your admiration for Harrtil. I'm sure my wife would understand.


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Re: Vizner, Gabrhel, Koudelka, Kralik, Walther et al. ...
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2011, 06:46:03 PM »
Yes, somewhere along the way I can remember asbestos being mentioned in connection with it as well.




 

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