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fritz Scheiner lion bowl - ID = Crown Crystal Six Swirl
« on: July 13, 2006, 07:43:14 AM »
http://janine.gallery.netspace.net.au/album01?page=1

Hi Janine,

This is refering to a different item--the blue bowl you have on your photo site.

If the blue is applied enamel, and if the enamel has been ground off the feet, then the pattern is Crown Crystal Six Swirl, which I believe was influenced by Walther's Juno. Crown made the moulds, and they appear quite often on Australian ebay - the difference is that the glass is a bit heavier, the question mark designs are a bit less curvy and the shape of the bowls in general is a bit less curvy. We believe that they were made just before WWII, but I don' t know when they stoped being made.

Pardon the not-very-precise description! The most obvious difference is that the Australian versions appear with that typical enamel finish and have clear spots on the feet where they've ground the enamel off to finish them.

Cathy.


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Re: fritz Scheiner lion bowl - ID = Crown Crystal Six Swirl
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 10:26:11 PM »
Dear Cathy,
thanks for the reply. There don't appear to be any clear spots on the feet and being new to glass we are not sure what enamled glass looks or feels like. The glass does have a "course" feel to it. There don't appear to be any cl;ear spots on the feet but there is a little chip near the base of one leg and the glass on this spot does not have the same"frosted" look.
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Janine


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Re: fritz Scheiner lion bowl - ID = Crown Crystal Six Swirl
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2006, 11:50:34 PM »
Hi Janine,

I'm pretty sure it's Crown. Would it be possible to take a photo of the bowl from above, on a white background, preferable showing that chip as well? With the chip, if you hold it to the light and look through it to the inside of the bowl, is the glass clear or blue?

The Australian pattern (known often as 'six swirl') appears in amber, lettuce green, pastel green and has been found in citron. They first made the moulds in 1937. There are no catalogues in public hands whic show this pattern, but they definitely made the moulds.

It can have the following surface treatments: all over satin glass, textured frit between the panels, and enamel. Usually the enamel is ground from the base, but this isn't obligatory.

Here is my satin amber bowl. I think it's a rose bowl, as it often comes with the standard Crown flower block (not shown).
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl001.jpg

I believe it's Crown because those rose bowls are often found with the coloured enamel surfaces. I'll show an example of the enamel surface later.

A salad bowl in the same pattern, undoubtedly Crown.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl008.jpg

Here's the matching nappy, with the Crown paper label:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl007.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl006.jpg

Same shape nappy, with the characteristic frit application between the panels:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl004.jpg

Here's the nappy flattened into a small side plate. It's very wonky. This was never terribly successful and I'm astounded they didn't melt them all down.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl003.jpg

Now, here's another nappy, again in clear, with the enamel surface and part ground feet:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl005.jpg
See the white spots where the enamel has been ground off. This is very characteristic of this Australian treatment. You can tell Crown were pretty confident in their monopoly here  :lol:  :lol:

Next is a bowl, possibly intended as either a fruit or a float bowl. I think this is Crown, on the basis that it appears in all the typical surfaces and colours, and has the partially ground feet.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl009.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl010.jpg

Okay, now here's one I don't think is Crown. It is much more even, the glass is finer, the questionmark panels are more curvaceous, the shape looks more like those in the Walther catalogues, and the feet are more completely ground.
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl011.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl013.jpg

Compare the feet with the ones on the first piece shown, the rose bowl:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i120/retro_spection/sixswirl014.jpg

I don't know whether you can see, but the ground patches on the feet are rounded on the Crown item, but rectangular on the non-Crown. (I'm hesitant to say Walther because I don't know enough about Waltherglas).

Sorry about heaving all that on you, but this is a pattern I know well.


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Re: fritz Scheiner lion bowl - ID = Crown Crystal Six Swirl
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2006, 12:51:31 AM »
Dear Cathy,
Thanks for taking the time to supply all that information. I've had a look at Dante's bowl and the feet as yu say are rounded as compared to the square Juno feet. So I guess your judgement of Crown is right. What a shame there isn't a catalogue of their styles.
regards,
Janine


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Re: fritz Scheiner lion bowl - ID = Crown Crystal Six Swirl
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2006, 01:57:06 AM »
Quote from: "janinedangelo"
Dear Cathy,
Thanks for taking the time to supply all that information. I've had a look at Dante's bowl and the feet as yu say are rounded as compared to the square Juno feet. So I guess your judgement of Crown is right. What a shame there isn't a catalogue of their styles.
regards,
Janine


Hi Janine,

To some extent there is enough evidence around for this shape without the catalogue. You see that rose bowl shape very often in Australia and rarely elsewhere so I'm 98% sure (always room for a little doubt).

The infomation on the differences in finish on the feet comes from a friend who has been examining the bowls. He basing his identification of the Juno bowls on those which come complete with the Walther figural flower holder.

Cheers,
Cathy


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Re: fritz Scheiner lion bowl - ID = Crown Crystal Six Swirl
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2006, 11:17:20 AM »
thanks again Cathy
Janine


 

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