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Offline rocco

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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2011, 01:51:07 PM »
Some sort of "Graal" technique? -- Just guessing 8)

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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2011, 02:00:52 PM »
 :cry: :cry: Please can we have a smiley for 'tearing your hair out' ??
Rosie.

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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2011, 02:49:31 PM »
@Rosie:  :kissy: I´ll tell this evening...
@Michael: Sorry it´s not Graal technique, although you´ve come close unintended literally (you´ll get the joke
    when I solve this puzzler)
@Sue: You´ve got the essential point!  :clap: Try to imagine only half of it left...  ;)

@Frank: I see you´ve got it.  :) Doesn´t it change the view on this weird and wonky piece once you´ve
   figured it out? This isn´t however a recent piece, so it´s highly unlikely to stir up the debate anew.
   It´s from the 1960´s or 70´s. I don´t think any of the ones made in this technique were finished - I
   must assume we knew!
   To be honest I can´t reveal much more than the technique and who made it, because the piece is so brand
   new to my collection and I´ve only managed to get a fractional picture about this topic so far.
   But I´ve found and just ordered a copy of the article the ´glassworker´ wrote about these and I look
   forward to read about this matter...
"Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - Groucho Marx

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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2011, 03:29:17 PM »
The only 'cup within a cup' technique I'm aware of is 'Zwischengoldglas' but  I don't think it is :huh: :huh:

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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2011, 03:43:01 PM »
It's not Wiedmann trying to recreate a Diatreta, is it?

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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2011, 04:17:00 PM »
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Sorry it´s not Graal technique, although you´ve come close unintended literally

Should we look towards Gralglas then? :)

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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2011, 04:45:16 PM »
Ivo´s completely right!  :hiclp:  :hiclp: And so is Michael.  ;D
It is indeed a trial piece made by Karl Wiedmann during his time at Gralglas.
If you know about the provenance, you´ll even recognize the colour:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096/Gralglas#5631469226234606562
I feel so very proud to own such an intriguing object.
Ivo, do you know if he ever got any further with this technique? Were any of
these objects (partly) finished? Why was this theory of manufacturing a diatrete given up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_cup
http://www.google.de/search?q=diatretglas&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&channel=np&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=de&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=681
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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2011, 04:51:26 PM »
I know he did try to overthrow the theory of how these amazing objects were made, and I know he didn't quite manage. But I know nothing of the attempts or of the precise reason he gave up.

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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2011, 04:56:36 PM »
And here is the thread that brought the two camps face to face, well not quite...

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,1015.0.html

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Re: Quiz: A trial piece / blank - Which technique and who did it?
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2011, 05:26:57 PM »
Many thanks to the both of you, much appreciated! I´ll see what the Wiedmann
article states and surely keep you informed. As well I´ll try to gather some more
information from the source of this lovely piece.
Side note: Quite fascinating how heated the discussion about their technique is
held. Is there no grey amongst this black and white or a space of doubt to be filled
with further thinking I wonder?
"Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - Groucho Marx

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