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[ipdglasspolishing]

check out figure32 http://medicalantiques.com/medical/Scarifications_and_Bleeder_Medical_Antiques.htm . 6cm is plenty big enough to get a leech or two in.

[Frank]

New cupping jars shape/size is close the that of thread subject.

http://www.acuprime.com/en/products/cupping/glass-cupping/glass-cupping-jar-65mm

ditto

http://www.heliomed.com/ItemDetail.aspx?ItemGroup=cp-06-group

who said size is everything!

[ipdglasspolishing]

but not close enough!

[ju1i3]

The rims (and shapes) of leech pots and cupping glasses are quite different. You can see the similarity of all these leech pots, esp the flat rim for tying on a covering.

(sorry it's not the greatest pic but I'll try to re-arrange them and take another)

[Frank]

Does anyone have proper references for these distinctions? They could just be assumptions.

[ipdglasspolishing]

the knowledge and experience of those of us who collect leech pots alleviates the necessity for assumptions.  :thup:

[Ivo]

so no references at all, then?

[ipdglasspolishing]

I understand that in this day and age nobody likes to accept anything unless there is a wealth of written material to back it up. Unfortunately I am divorced and when I left my home everything I possessed, all my reference books, my records and my collection was left behind (long story), yes there is a mountain of reference available to explain the difference between cupping cups and leech pots but at this moment in time, for my part, that knowledge is stored inside my head. Although I am at a loss to understand why it is difficult to accept the difference between the two when the photos by Ivo  and that from ju1i3 clearly show that difference.  :thup:

[ju1i3]

Here are some references I have.

[Ivo]

the problem is in definition and interpretation. A similar problem arises with rose bowls and with hyacinth vases - really in all shapes with a function. If collectors get hold of a lookalike they will insist it is one - even if the manufacturer does not acknowledge this, or even if technique rules it out. The rule of thumb is, the only genuine article is if the maker's catalogue identified it as one. A jam jar used as a bulb vase is still a jam jar, after all. I am sure that is why Frank asks questions: he has been through thousands of catalogues and never met a leech cup.  Another matter is that these were articles of low interest: pee pots, specimen jars, ink wells, seed storage pots, tubing, bulb vases, vials, varied, miscellaneous and sundry items all ended up on the last page of the catalogue. All makers had seed storage pots in the assortment - small round pots with a flange which allowed a muslin cloth to be tied over it. And in the section of counter jars - the tall footed and lidded jars for keeping live leeches is sometimes identified as such - but just as often equally suited for eggs or jelly beans. So you'll have a hard time convincing me these are what you will them to be.