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Offline Bernard C

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2006, 09:17:55 PM »
Max — Great piece, valuable, and, in my opinion, most likely Burtles Tate.

Congratulations.

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2006, 09:56:37 AM »
Dave (MrVaselineGlass) said to check for a registration mark.  I said there wasn't one...then I checked harder.  Tucked inside the prow was:

Rd 190420

I couldn't find a designer for that exact registration number, does anyone know who it might be?
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2006, 10:43:49 AM »
Glad you could find a reg. no.  Hope that will help identify this great piece.

I know others are saying an ashtray but to me it appears to be more of a master salt or sugar. When did the use of ashtrays become popular?

During the Victorian era the table would be set with elaborate centerpieces often consisting of figural master salts or master sugar bowls or other condiments.  These would   have matching individual serving pieces made to match.

JMHO  :wink:


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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2006, 11:01:04 AM »
Hi Max,

Could the 0 be an 8 as reg no 190428 is for Boutlon and Mills in 1892.

Just a thought :)

Barbara


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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2006, 11:35:16 AM »
Barbara, very good thought, but definitely 190420.  I've even taken a pencil rubbing to make sure!  :P

Connie...you.....are.....RIGHT!  :D  Each of the stubby protrusions sticking out from the hull of the gondola have an indentation.  Now you've mentioned it, it's pretty obvious a small spoon would have laid in that indentation, the bowl of the spoon resting in the bottom of the gondola.

Thanks for your help!  You clever thing!  :D
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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2006, 11:38:06 AM »
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When did the use of ashtrays become popular?

According to the Collector's Guide to Ashtrays "ash pan" appeared in an English dictionary in 1857 and by 1887 was referred to as an "ash-tray" by the same dictionary.

My vote would be for an ashtray based on the four cigarette rests. I have a couple hundred packed away (waiting for a market that may never develop) and few, if any, are as nice as this one.

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2006, 11:49:58 AM »
Just a thought.  The gondola (anyone bored of the flipping gondola yet? lol) has two large indentations on the base.

I was thinking maybe it went on a stand...  :?:
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2006, 12:13:32 PM »
Very possibly it fit into a metal holder maybe even with wheels. Some of the elaborate center serving pieces I was talking about were on wheels so they could be rolled along the center of large tables.


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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2006, 06:50:47 PM »
I've found out who made the gondola.  :D

I went to the National Archives at Kew today, and spent 5 hours trawling through the most fascinating and huge volumes dating from the early 1800's onwards.  Amazing that you can see the original documents and drawings from those dates, just amazing and wonderful.

After looking through the relevant glass ledgers - looking for Rd 190420, I came up with nothing and thought I was going to go home empty handed, so I asked for assistance and was told to look through 'Non-Textiles' - as apparently the glass was split off at some point and some pieces can be found in tucked away amongst pieces of fabric samples.  

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3955

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3954

I only had 20 minutes to look through the two volumes that were suggested, and they were the biggest yet...thought I was never going to do it...but managed with only 5 minutes to spare.  :shock:

The gondola was registered by 'Lazarus & Rosenfeld' of London in 1892:


So it is supposed to carry a condiment set/perfume set...and now I only have to find out who Lazarus & Rosenfeld were.  :lol:
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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2006, 08:18:01 PM »
Great research, Max.  That is so cool to find the original documentation.

Lazarus & Rosenfeld sound like retailers/merchants to me.  Maybe an old department store?

 

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