catalogues and the FORMULA arrived today, after giving the formula a good examanation i decided the only way to find out if it was Monarts most kept secret was to give it a try, so after converting my 8x6 garden shed into a clone of Moncrieff works, after following the formula to the last grain of sand i was ready to proceed, i couldnt wait to see the outcome , after hours upon hours working in sweltering heat and picking a shape of a piece i already had in my collection to make it easier for me, the end result just minutes away, the truth about to be revealed, was it the Monart formula or wasnt it, finally the cooling down period was over , the end result is below, so is it monarts formula you decide . :24: personaly i think it looks more monart than pyrex