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Offline casalibre

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Possible Salvador Ysart Paperweight
« on: November 06, 2011, 04:17:59 PM »
I have got this weight.
Does anybody know more about it?
Regards
Helene

Mod: Helene has povided detailed photos of this weight later in the thread.


Offline pooleandpaperweights

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Re: Please help ID
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2011, 07:20:34 PM »
Because of the setup, I would have to say Vasart and not Strathearn.......

Pretty good weight!


Offline Derek

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Re: Please help ID
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2011, 09:12:03 PM »
Hi all

Never say never........... but I have never seen a Vasart with this tidy a set up nor with this
sort of marks on the base from where it was parted off. Vasarts normally have either the
word Vasart etched in script or more usually have a rough ground pontil. The way this one
has been parted off with loads of small scratch marks probably from the point of a knife or
similar being used towards the iron is more usually associated with Paul Ysart

So my money would be on Paul Ysart but I await to be shot down in flames by KevH !!

Best regards

Derek


Offline casalibre

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Re: Please help ID
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2011, 10:21:30 PM »
Could it be a Salvadore Ysart weight?


Offline rbm6167

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Re: Please help ID
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2011, 11:29:06 PM »
My money's on Derek until he's shot down!! The outer alternate complex canes say Paul Ysart to me.
John


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Re: Please help ID
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2011, 12:25:52 AM »
Hi everybody,

What an interesting and nice weight!! Also a bit of a conundrum!! I agree with Derek that the pontil scar and surrounding stress marks are similar to those on Paul Ysart's weight. I do not think that this is a weight by him, though. The canes do not seem right to me and there are a lot of bubbles near the canes (see the first picture...), something that I do not associate Paul Ysart with. I would say that this a Salvador Ysart weight (or may be a very good Ysart Bros.). 

I am dying to know what KevinH will say.

SophieB


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Re: Please help ID
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2011, 02:23:24 AM »
Not a Paul Ysart weight.

I have so far seen none of those canes in Paul Ysart weights. The outer canes are very neat but then so were many of the so-called "Salvador Ysart" canes. All of the canes seem to me to be pre-1956, but it it is still possible that the weight was made later.

It is different from most others in having the standard cartwheel design set at an angle. Was that deliberate, or just a quirk of the making? Either way, it has ended up as a very tidy pattern with no elements being distorted!

Helene, I would like to see a good-sized, close-up photo of the central portion of the base showing the "cutting in" marks in some detail.
KevinH


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Re: Please help ID
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2011, 08:19:13 AM »
Hi all

If the "slant" was just in the making then I would expect there to be some
evidence of distortion in the outer garland of canes and there is none.

Also if you look at the direction of the slant it would mean that the slant
was put in when the iron was being rolled towards the maker - unusual.

So for my money this has to be a deliberate slanted setup.

best regards

Derek


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Re: Please help ID
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2011, 05:16:31 PM »
"Also if you look at the direction of the slant it would mean that the slant
was put in when the iron was being rolled towards the maker - unusual. "

Unless he was a left handed gaffer?



Offline Roger H

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Re: Please help ID
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2011, 06:27:19 PM »
      That is an excellent weight!!!!! Just to confuse everyone PY aquired these canes from his fathers stock and made this weight so that in later years we could get a headache trying to work it out.
       Seriously speaking though, forgetting the cane manufacturer, its a typical PY precision pick up.
         Regards Roger.

 

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