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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 07:23:04 PM »
How about John Deacons or Peter McDougall?

I agree the canes look "Scottish"
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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2011, 07:37:03 PM »
... I thought that Caithness made the Edinburgh Crystal weights to begin with, before the contract went to Murano? So there may be no such thing as Edinburgh Crystal canes...but perhaps one of the Scottish glass experts could confirm or correct this?

Correct: the 1985/86 Edinburgh Crystal weights were made at Caithness - later they imported from Murano.
Unless there are any Edinburgh millefiori weights around, of which I never have heard, there will be no "Edinburgh canes".
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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2011, 07:42:02 PM »
Hi

Peter had a lot of Stuart Strathearn canes and one or two Perthshire !!!

Has anyone approached Peter about this Glass

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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2011, 01:03:55 AM »
In my opinion, none of the canes are Murano. And I don't think the piece was made outside of Scotland.

Many (or was it all???) of the canes used in the Caithness-made weights for Edinburgh Crystal were pulled by John Deacons who was contracted by Caithness to produce them. And those same canes can also be seen in a variety of John's own work. And they also look broadly similar to some original Whitefriars canes. The very "coggy" canes in two rows in the bowl are rather like those. But I do not believe that the goblet has anything to do with Edinburgh Crystal or Caithness - or even Whitefriars.

The canes in the foot that have the eight alternating canes are of a style often found in Perthshire Paperweights items and also Strathearn Glass pieces from around the 1970s. I have no idea which company first began to use that style but there are a lot of those canes around, from both companies - and in a wide range of colourways and central elements, including central crosses. Also they both used canes with individual elements using a 20-rib outer "cog", such as the in the central cane bottom right of Alan's photo of the foot.

My guess is that the glass was out of Perthshire Paperweights - but I would not be too surprised if it turned out to be by somebody else who had access to that range of canes.
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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2011, 05:16:34 PM »
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I asked Peter McDougall whether he had any ideas about the goblet, and this was his very helpful reply:

This does look like early Perthshire Canes. If it was made at Perthshire it would have been made by John Irvine, his skill in making this kind of piece especially with a blown foot was exceptional and he did make a few individual goblets like this. If it is by John Irvine it could be quite rare, the bell shaped top was his style. Sorry I can't be more certain. Nevertheless a great Goblet.

So it looks like it is a Perthshire piece after all.

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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2011, 05:59:45 PM »
A nice investigative research... Well done DCI Thornton  :hiclp:

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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2011, 09:17:18 PM »
... But what do I know....

Ne'er a truer word was said in jest.  ;D

John Irvine is not on my radar screen so anything you can find out about him will be of great interest
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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2011, 09:07:42 PM »
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Hi Frank.

According to Dave Moir, John Irvine worked at Perthshire, and Edinburgh Crystal, and also for John Deacons - but I am afraid I did not get any dates to go with that.

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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2011, 01:16:58 AM »
just thought ..if you put the goblet on it side and look at the stem, that's the perthshire emblem in the twist
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Re: Millefiori goblet - maker?
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2011, 06:50:09 AM »
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Interesting thought, Ray.

It actually has the wrong chirality (ie is twisted the wrong way), but that could have been an error when trying to reproduce the emblem.

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