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Offline SimonD

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I've had this paperweight for a while now - I'm pretty sure it is from the Ysart stable, but I've often wondered if was made by Paul or Salvador (or neither). Quite a few of the canes are very simple, and the overall set up is a little imprecise, suggesting the latter to me. It would be interesting hear what you think?!


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Re: Millefiori paperweight - Ysart but is it Paul or Salvador?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2011, 08:17:05 PM »
Pre-war work by Paul Ysart.

Salvador's examples of this design did not have a cane inserted at the outer edge between the main cane groups. See here for an example. (The lack of an outer cane between the groups in Salvador's work was not known to me at the time I added my example to my webpages.)

Also of interest is that your weight shows that a four-cane central motif was not exclusively used by Salvador or others at Ysart Brothers - although in the majority of cases it is a good pointer.
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Re: Millefiori paperweight - Ysart but is it Paul or Salvador?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 08:22:54 PM »
Thanks for your help, Kevin! Nice to know it's by Paul.


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Re: Millefiori paperweight - Ysart but is it Paul or Salvador?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 10:27:11 AM »
I've attached a photo of a weight which in my mind is clearly a Salvador Ysart, which shares a cane with my roundel weight. The cane is the simple cog cane, at the 3 o-clock position in the concentric/closepack.

There was a bit of to-ing and fro-ing of canes between Salvador and Paul, very likely with the dateline suggested by Kevin. Is my concentric/closepack from the same period. I had always thought it Ysart-brothers era.


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Re: Millefiori paperweight - Ysart but is it Paul or Salvador?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 05:15:58 PM »
I still think that the majority of Salvador Ysart weights were made in the Ysart Brothers period. But I do have an open mind about some being pre-war. It has been said by others that a uv reaction of "bright yellow green" indicates pre-war but so far I have been unable to confirm or deny that conclusion, especially if at Ysart Brothers the same basic pre-war glass batch was used.

The number of canes found in both Paul and Salvador weights is slowly increasing. In fact, one of those canes appears in Simon's roundel weight above and also in the weight that Roger showed in another recent thread. The cane is the central one at top left of Simon's roundel weight and used as the outer row in the one Roger showed.
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Offline Roger H

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Re: Millefiori paperweight - Ysart but is it Paul or Salvador?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2012, 08:33:42 PM »
      Interesting discussion,thank you. I too feel the rondello weight is fairly early Paul Ysart, partly due to the depth of the cane setup.  The orange ground weight I feel is newer and is probably Salvador even though some canes are the same as in the rondello, but they are set higher.
    Question... Did Paul make thinner cane slices than most?
 
           Regards Roger.


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Re: Millefiori paperweight - Ysart but is it Paul or Salvador?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 10:40:44 PM »
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Did Paul make thinner cane slices than most?
No.

But from looking at weights with without a colour ground, it may be true that Paul used his slices more consistently such that all canes in a weight were very much of the same thickness. He did, however, use variable thickness canes in some of his scramble weights, and maybe others too.

Salvador / Ysart Brothers weights seem to be more variable in thickness of canes, but it was not until Vasart Ltd / early Strathearn Glass that canes were often noticeably longer (i.e. to a point when "thickness" is best replaced with "length").
KevinH


 

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