Thanks Roger. Latest photos are good.
At least one of the elements making up the complex cane forming the outer row is definitely "early Ysart" - the pink over white quatrefoil - and is something I have seen most often in several weights that I believe are Ysart Brothers period or perhaps pre-war. I suspect that the whole of that complex cane is an original "early Ysart". And the whole complex cane in the outer row is also likely to be of the same origin.
When I have had a more thorough search for detailed elements, I might be able to say something more specific. But for now, in style and setting both of those canes fit well within the range of so-called Salvador canes - not the best quality ones, nor the worst.
I will not rule out the finding of either of those canes in a Paul Ysart weight, but I think the chances are less likely than in Salvador / Ysart Brothers pieces.
The photos of the central cane show that there is splitting of parts of the cane elements (probably during the making of the weight). However, as a whole cane, it is certainly not one that I immediately recognise.
For me, the base finishing, especially the "cutting in" stress marks, is inconclusive. It's not "obviously" either one of Salvador or Paul.