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Offline alpha

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Is the seller right on this one?
« on: January 21, 2012, 08:29:35 PM »
I am having a difference of opinion on this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-NEGC-Millefiori-Paperweight-Concentric-Rare-Best-/260936132637

Seller thinks it is New England Glass Company, and I think it is Baccarat/Dupont or maybe one of the unmarked 1960's Baccarat weights.

Any thoughts?


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Re: Is the seller right on this one?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 08:54:50 PM »
    I would guess 1930s Baccarat. Roger.


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Re: Is the seller right on this one?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 10:32:51 PM »
It looks more NEGC than Dupont.  But it doesn't match my expectations for either.
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Re: Is the seller right on this one?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 07:45:26 PM »
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Well, having failed to win this weight by being the underbidder, I will give you my thoughts.  I think it is French, antique, and probably St Mandé. The star canes are too 'frilly' (a technical phrase, I am sure) to be Baccarat. The dome shape is right for St M.

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Re: Is the seller right on this one?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 08:28:04 PM »
    As I said it was only a guess of mine, but it did add a bit of conversation didn't it.
             Regards Roger.


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Re: Is the seller right on this one?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 08:29:39 PM »
Alan please let me first apoligize for listing the question while the item was still running on ebay. I had no interest in it and assumed  that no one else would either.  :-[

St Mande is an interesting thought. I can see the attribution with the central blue rod canes, but the outside pink cane ring has a very 20th century look to it with the colors and the color combinations in the cane. The star-cluster canes looked frilly to me because of the poor photography. Had you requested and received better photos?


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Re: Is the seller right on this one?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 08:43:01 PM »
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Hi Andy.

No - I did not get extra images - but I think that poor images make canes look more blurred and fatter, rather than thinner. As for your commenting whilst the listing is active, I believe that items usually find their own level whatever...so no problem.

I just think the cane design and the overall look and shape suggest St Mandé. That is an awfully subjective comment, I know - and I am uncomfortable with that approach to ID - but there is always an element to ID that is very hard to quantify: you look at a paperweight, and have a feel for what it might be. I am not 100% convinced it is St M, but that is my feeling.

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Re: Is the seller right on this one?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 11:21:01 PM »
      Just had a closer look at some more New England weights and the further you go back in the 19th century the more the canes match the one in question!!!!?????  Roger.


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Re: Is the seller right on this one?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 11:38:23 PM »
the seller says .... Condition is excellent with no chips and no cracks , but to my eyes there looks like a top part of a bruise on the side around 12-1 o'clock on the down view photos
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Re: Is the seller right on this one?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 09:50:25 AM »
I noticed this one when it first came up on eBay but wasn't very attracted to it so didn't think more about it.

I am pretty sure it is NEGC as I have matched the canes to paperweights in the book "The Boston & Sandwich and New England Glass Companies" by John D. Hawley.

Several pw's identified as NEGC in the book contain the blue/white complex cane in the center of this weight (page 76 fig 5.3, page 126 fig 7.25, page 129 fig 7.36),
the pink/blue/yellow complex cane in the outer ring can be found on page 153 fig 7.107
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