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Victorian sweet meat or preserve dish - ID = Percival Vickers
« on: February 12, 2012, 01:17:23 PM »
Hi all
I picked this up thinking I had seen one in my books but am struggling to get an ID on it
It has a metal plate and lid plate is marked with what looks like hallmarks but I dont believe they are A B what looks like a snowflake and gothic style S, with a large V above and a 13 at the bottom.
The glass liner has a reg Diamond which dates it to Jan 1878.
The metal lid has a hunting style dog both lid and plate have a matching monogram.
Sorry I know this is more metal than glass but thought the bowl maybe the key to getting it identified.
many thanks in advance
michelle


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Re: Victorian (reg diamond dates it Jan 1878) sweet meat or preserve dish
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 02:42:13 PM »
Hello Michelle  -  according to Slack there are only two glass registrations in January 1878  -  one is 317583-4 (5th Jan. for Archibold Hodge, Glasgow).......and the other is 317822 (18th Jan. for Fred. Willian Brownlow of Manchester).    What is your No. reading?        Sorry, can't help re the metal, and regret this is  rather meagre information  -  however, very nice piece, and I'd give it house room any day. :)   


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Re: Victorian (reg diamond dates it Jan 1878) sweet meat or preserve dish
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 02:53:09 PM »
sorry, had also meant to add that it is probable that both of these names are wholesalers or distributors only  -  although I see that Brownlow's address includes the words  'Canning Works', so it's possible they were manufacturers of something.


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Re: Victorian (reg diamond dates it Jan 1878) sweet meat or preserve dish
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 02:57:04 PM »
left side 8 right side W bottom I think its a  C.
Using Hajdamach's British Glass 1800-1914 page 445 it says "for 1-6 march 1878, 'G' was used for the month and 'W' for the year."
Its possible my C is a G
No other numbers
many thanks Paul, anyinfo adds to a picture no matter how Meagre
michelle


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Re: Victorian (reg diamond dates it Jan 1878) sweet meat or preserve dish
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 03:04:45 PM »
http://1st-glass.1st-things.com/lozengetranslator.html
typed in and got this reply
"You have selected W as the year, which was only used from the 1st to the
6th of March 1878 with the letter G representing the month.  The only glass
actually registered during this period was on the 1st of March (Packet 8) by:
Percival, Vickers & Co.(Ltd.), Manchester"
Question answered on the glass now to try and work out the rest of it


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Re: Victorian (reg diamond dates it Jan 1878) sweet meat or preserve dish
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 03:11:38 PM »
the parcel No. 8 also confirms it as P.V., and the Rd. No. is 319090  -  well done Michelle.


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Re: Victorian (reg diamond dates it Jan 1878) sweet meat or preserve dish
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 03:23:10 PM »
I completely forgot about that link untill after I wrote this thread was just searching for something else when I spotted it in my glass links album.
I had another PV piece a while back, A tall cellery vase.
Doubt it will be so easy to trace the metal now and probably be under a different distributers too.
More digging required
thanks again Paul
michelle
It seems a real shame, not a lot of info remains on Percival, Vickers & Co. I remember trying to get info when I had the vase and just coming to a dead end all the time. On the website below second from last row left side is a dish in the same pattern as mine
http://www.murrayam.supanet.com/percivalvickers.html
The buildings
http://manchesterhistory.net/manchester/tours/tour12/area12page29.html
page 15
http://www.historyofglass.org.uk/memberzone/glassnews22.pdf
http://thehumanjourney.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62&Itemid=116


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Re: Victorian (reg diamond dates it Jan 1878) sweet meat or preserve dish
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 03:50:10 PM »
There's loads of info on Percival Vickers if you go to my website!
You have an item from the "Manchester" pressed suite

http://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/percival-vickers-designs-by-date/percival-vickers-1878


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Re: Victorian (reg diamond dates it Jan 1878) sweet meat or preserve dish
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 04:13:55 PM »
Despite being a wonderful book, I don't think Hajdamach would be first choice for detailed information on Rd. Nos. Michelle  -  you'd be better off with either Raymond Slack or better still Jenny Thompson (plus Supplement) - plus, of course, Neil's website ;D
If you remain stumped after all that - and you can let me have details - I can visit TNA at Kew for you.
Despite occasional minor hiccups, the GMB, with its infinite range of members interests - remains the best overall source for information, and everyone should be a member :)


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Re: Victorian sweet meat or preserve dish - ID = Percival Vickers
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2012, 05:33:23 PM »
I can't be sure without actually seeing the marks on the metalware, but sounds like the electroplate marks for Henry Atkin / Atkin Brothers of Sheffield ( see http://www.silvercollection.it/electroplatesilver.html , which is a great website generally for identifying marks on silver, silver plate and electroplate).

 

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