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Author Topic: Swirl cane ID  (Read 1472 times)

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Offline Roger H

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Swirl cane ID
« on: February 28, 2012, 09:02:25 PM »
The weight I have just posted has a cane with 8 coggy lobes and on each lobe are 3 spines, if that makes sense.  I have only had one very early Perthshire weight with those in but they are mainly seen in vasart weights.
    I dont know of any strathearn or vasart swirls so what are your thoughts about the weight? Roger.

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Re: Swirl cane ID
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 10:14:08 PM »
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I'd have guessed early Perthshire - but could it be John Deacons?

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Re: Swirl cane ID
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 11:49:11 PM »
  My first thought was an early perthshire, although this pattern doesnt seem to have gone into production.
    Just looked in the Perthshire book and on page 8 are a collection of moulds. In the middle, second row down is the mould in question, perhaps a leftover from vasart.  I guess this was only used very rarely early on.
    With regard to JD, the swirl is rather his type isnt it? (cant find a reference at the moment). Could he have experimented with this swirl while at Perthshire, because the canes are not like his personal early ones I believe.
     Another interesting thing is the swirl does not go to the bottom of the weight. The base seems to have been a fire polished, then minimaly ground out. The diameter is 3 inches. Roger.

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Re: Swirl cane ID
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 11:04:20 PM »
    Checked the ultra violet long and short wave, and the colours are the same as my definite 1976 perthshire.  I realize this doesnt limit it to perthshire glass totally but I will assume it is unless anyone can add anything else.
      Regards Roger.

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Re: Swirl cane ID
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 12:01:53 AM »
has it a hollow ground pontil roger?
cheers Ray

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Offline Roger H

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Re: Swirl cane ID
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 02:54:08 PM »
Hi Ray, 4 photos of base. Yes its hollow ground but only in the centre where it was deemed necessary I guess.
      Similar to the base finish on the 1976 perthshire PP11 I have.
  The ridgy 8 lobed canes on the outer edge of the middle cane I have noticed are in strathearn also sometimes. I find it odd that there is no return spiral underneath as there usually is.
      Still wonder if JD at perthshire is a maybe, around 1970? 
       Roger.

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Re: Swirl cane ID
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 04:45:23 PM »
have you the perthshire book roger ?
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Re: Swirl cane ID
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 07:41:47 PM »
YES.

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Re: Swirl cane ID
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 10:41:11 PM »
have a look at page 90 at the PP21 as the rest of the swirls have a flat polished base, if you can send me a full on top view of the weight and send it to raybassfisher at talktalk dot net .. just change the at and the dot, i will be seeing  JD next week so i will print it off and show him
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Re: Swirl cane ID
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2012, 10:59:09 PM »
The closest we can come to on the ID of this 3.00 inch swirl is that it is probably Perthshire experimental around 1970.
     Regards Roger.

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