I should think everyone's forgotten this thread, and I only re-discovered it after finding part of Joseph Webb's Rd. 93626 earlier today - this is another of their pressed pieces carrying the rows of clear ovals cut through frosting - you can see the similarity of the decoration with other pieces shown earlier in this thread. Unfortunately, I've found only part of 93626 - the full set of which comprises under plate and lidded bowl, and is mentioned in Fred's final paragraph where he refers to a drawing in Jenny Thompson's Supplement - page 19 top - showing the three pieces. Attached is a picture of my underplate - which in view of the lack of crispness of the lozenge details was, in my opinion, unlikely to have been pressed in 1853, but when I don't know. Have also attached the Kew Archives picture showing the full three pieces as Registered. From the top clockwise the diamond reads.... Y - 17 - 1 - A.
Sorry to say Roy, but it wasn't a celery that was Registered on 23rd June 1853, but an un-lidded sugar, and this is confirmed in Jenny Thompson, and mentioned by Fred - page 19 of the author's Supplement - and corresponds to Rd. 91476 Request please - if a lozenge is legible then it does help massively if the Rd. is also provided.
Pressed manufacturers in the C19 not uncommonly Registered a design or shape, and then knocked out more shapes and sizes etc. under the one original Registration - and to some extend this appears to be what Joseph Webb had in mind - but somewhere along the line this idea lost it's way and it seems the factory thought it necessary to Register three shapes, each carry the same ornamental decoration. However, as we've discovered, there are more than three shapes (with this decoration) that come under the umbrella of Webb's 1853 and 1854 design Registrations.
In addition to Rd. Nos. 91476 and 93626 mentioned by Fred, there is a third Registration 96056 dated15th June 1854, allocated to a covered sugar. Roy quotes his sugar bowl as having a lozenge for this Registration, although it would appear his example is without its lid.
These three Registrations from 1853/4, appear as chronologically consecutive Nos. from Joseph Webb in the Board of Trade Registrations, and it's not entirely clear why the factory felt the need to Register additional shapes on which to use simply the same ornamentation, when it's clear that there are indeed some shapes i.e. Roy's celery and Fred's lidded bowl that appear to have been un-Registered but which carried this already recorded oval decoration.
There is a very similar example of this ornamentation of ovals, from Joseph Webb, Rd.98201 Registered on 18th November 1854 - a shallow dish with two rows of decoration running around the rim area - so obviously ovals were 'in' for 1854.
So, to recap....... the first of these Registrations - all mentioned in Thompson - carrying ornamentation of ovals appears to be :-
91476 dated 23rd June 1853........ allocated to an un-lidded sugar - see attached picture of original image from Kew Archives - not yet surfaced on the GMB??
Additionally, it appears that a celery is also classified under this design Registration, and likewise a pedestal mounted lidded bowl.
93626 dated 17th December 1853....... given to the lidded bowl with under plate - see attached picture from the Kew Archives - apart from my plate, the other parts not yet surfaced on the GMB??
96056 dated 15th June 1854 ......... given to a lidded sugar - see attached picture from Kew Archives - Roy has the bowl only for this piece.
have run out of steam - I've had a very heavy cold/flu bug for some days, and at the age of 49 it's taking its toll on my ability to ......uhmmmm - forget now.
have a look at this and criticize, correct etc., sorry not all pix are as clear as I would like - but just thought it worth a few words to try and simplify what appeared to be a bit of a jumble.