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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2006, 11:47:54 AM »
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I would vote not Whitefriars, as the interior baseline, i.e., between the red and the clear, is curved but the leaflet shows a straight line as do Robbo's glasses


I just had exactly the same thought Christine...but hopefully Julie will get a def' yes or no from wf.com
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2006, 05:07:14 PM »
These are NOT Whitefriars glasses. They quite often appear described as HARLEQUIN sets. Whitefriars made Harlequin sets of various smooth walled glasses in the early sixties. Quite subdued colours as there were then.

Glasses in the Glacier range did actually come in colours though. In 1970 only, M31 & M32 Whisky Glasses came in Arctic Blue, Twilight and Flint. After that any Glacier glasses only came in Flint apart from 1971 when they also came in Silver!

There were Glacier bowls, fruit dishes and Sundae dishes that came in colours.

M143 bowls and M146 Sundae dishes came in Flint, Silver and Twilight between 1971 to 1973.

In 1974 only, M152 party dishes came in Flint, Kingfisher, Lilac, Sage and Tangerine. These were as colourful as any Glacier item got!

Oh! One more Glacier piece! The Pattern 9822 Whisky Water jug introduced in 1974 came in Kingfisher, Ruby and Flint.

Glasses like yours have been discussed before on the old Whitefriars Yahoo group forum. A few collectors have bought them. It is generally thought that they are machine made where as the Whitefriars Glacier glasses are mould blown. I do not know the manufacturer but they may well be by Ingrid Glashutte of Austria. Hard to say though.

I have also posted this on www.whitefriars.com.

I hope this helps.

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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2006, 05:27:00 PM »
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Glasses like yours have been discussed before on the old Whitefriars Yahoo group forum. A few collectors have bought them.


Ah well, at least I'm not the only person that thought they could potentially be WF then.   :wink:
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2006, 05:36:28 PM »
They are still nice though!

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2006, 12:18:36 AM »
Thank you everyone for your input.I very much appreciate all the effort you have gone to, to help me with my query.
So the consensus says No to Whitefriars, that seems to be the vote on Whitefriars group too, 1 yes and 2 No.
I am enjoying the lesson on Whitefriars too. Not a glass Co,I know much about or one that I have handle very often. I have only   bought  and sold a few items,when label was still in place :lol:  
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2006, 02:44:17 AM »
uummmm I think I have another litle twist to these tumblers.I have been looking at them everytime I walk past and knew something was niggling at me.Take a look at this pic of the orange and the blue one together.Check out the difference in the base.The blue one does not have that clear section.And as I held and inspected   them more, I realised that the orange one felt heavier then the blue one.Popped them on the scales and I was correct.The Amber, blue and smoke are the same but the orange one looks to me to be a ring in.
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2006, 02:51:45 AM »
......these textured glasses have plagued and baffled me for nigh on 2 years now. Research so far has lead to a conclusion that leans towards the view that 'they're not Whitefriars glasses'. But I can't go the whole hog to a complete negative. A prominent collector has informed me that he has a boxed set of Whitefriars Textured Bark Harlequin Tumblers. Apparently they were made for restaurants or bars etc. However, restaurant/bar staff complained the texture was too thick to get the glasses thoroughly clean. As a result they were made thinner. I hope to be seeing this boxed set in the future to determine size, colour etc. The moulding on the orange example looks first rate - though it's cased in clear this one most closely approximates a Whitefriars whiskey tumbler with BARK (not glacier) moulding (the moulding on the Ingrid glass is not the same if you look carefully - the textured ridges on these are more random as they are in the vases). Others contend that these cannot be Whitefriars tumblers since some of the colours are not factory ones. In some talller versions of the tumblers there are odd lilacs and cases where two colours such as Meadow and Indigo ought not to coincide because they weren't produced during the same periods. Tis a sticky one this Bark tumbler issue and has yet to be resolved. I will post a message here when I know more. Best Regards Pinky


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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2006, 09:19:52 AM »
Thanks Pinky,  :)
I think these then had better go on the 'for later' shelf till I know a bit more about them.Will look forward to hearing more
 It is all very interesting , though a litle confusing for a novice like me. :? But I am enjoying the learning experience
Julie


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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2006, 09:25:55 AM »
Thanks for that Pinky.  :)   I can now see what a deeply sticky subject these coloured glasses are.   I think Julie is right to put hers away 'for later', it's exactly what I would do too.

When you eventually see the tumblers that your collector friend owns Pinky, could you put a pic on here for us?  That would be really  fantastic.  :D
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2006, 11:38:40 PM »
.......when I know more I'll pop up pictures here. Will take some time I'm thinking. Or else we'll be jolly lucky and get a quicker answer::))) Confounded mini-barks!!!! Have heard that a boxed set was also for sale on eBay a long time ago. Perhaps some of you remember. Can't find them in the standard catalogues but then not everything was catalogued (perhaps nor would they be if made for restaurants). Are some copies and some real Whitefriars?...Or none of these?......Good gracious....here I go again round and round in barking-mad circles.....:::))) Will keep you posted. PinkyX.....oh yes a PS...some have a discernible protuberant lip rim - Whitefriars glasses are not normally finished off like this. However the factory did have a gas kiln (see picture in museum of London book) which could have been used to fire the rims (instead of polishing or other) in this manner hence speeding manufacture (which would make sense if the glasses were destined for restaurants and not John Lewis::)). Cogitation, speculation - I know. Definitive answers required.

 



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